Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

It’s annoying when a moderator edits something out and I missed the insult that caused it. Lol

He posted a pic of his dic and asked his adversary to suck on it. It was quite something. Wow!

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Am I the only one who pops into this thread and is like:

This thread completely sucks now and I rarely go into it. No “real discussion” can be had.

[MoneyGuy]

Fotze, not sorry I missed that. (I know you’re kidding.)

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

It’s annoying when a moderator edits something out and I missed the insult that caused it. Lol

It wasn't even a creative one, don't worry you didn't miss out on anything.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

This thread completely sucks now and I rarely go into it. No “real discussion” can be had.

Would it help if everyone started rambling on about an alleged imminent revolution and then refuse to respond when people politely ask them to explain what they mean by that?

Glass houses Mr.Coffee

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

This thread completely sucks now and I rarely go into it. No “real discussion” can be had.

Yeah, no. Real discussion can be had, and has been. Maybe instead of coming in here and ironically posting nothing contributing to a 'real discussion', why don't you start a real discussion? Don't just add to the drive-by's one poster in here is already notorious for.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by accord1999

$33B, that's what something like 30 GW of solar and/or wind? Most of it would have never been built because the first $10B will have wrecked the business case of the next $20B, as too much power would be produced during the mid-day and windy time periods and prices would be 0 or negative. And transmission lines would be overloaded and there would be no way to get power from windy or sunny but remote areas.

And all that capital investment needs to be paid off, in this case by Albertans. Oil and gas is valuable because most of it is bought by Americans (and hopefully Chinese and Indians in the future).

It would only take like 1% growth to make up for it.

America and China is where the profits go. Thankfully Alberta has a 1.4 Trillion dollar oil fund like Norway so that the oil and gas legacy will live on long after the world has moved on. Jurisdictions that just have the #### away to foreign investors deserve our ridicule and scorn but not Alberta. Here, we are set for life thanks to the strong Conservative leadership in this province.

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Thankfully Alberta has a 1.4 Trillion dollar oil fund like Norway so that the oil and gas legacy will live on long after the world has moved on.

You really believe that world exists? Growing population with increasing need for goods and services, all delivered by electric semi trucks, trains, planes, and cargo ships?

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

America and China is where the profits go.

Alberta and Canada gets most of the benefits, from royalties, corporate taxes, personal taxes from employees. In the last decade, shareholders in Alberta oil and gas have had a difficult time, many have yet to recover their losses. How much money has China lost in their investments in Alberta (remember Nexen) and barely gotten any oil from Alberta.

America does get some of the profits, mainly by being the middleman because they can resell Alberta oil to the rest of the world with their port access, money that should have stayed in Canada.

https://www.spglobal.com/commodityin...-us-gulf-coast

Thankfully Alberta has a 1.4 Trillion dollar oil fund like Norway so that the oil and gas legacy will live on long after the world has moved on. Jurisdictions that just have the #### away to foreign investors deserve our ridicule and scorn but not Alberta.

Norway is willing to take advantage of their resources and location to maximize revenue. Despite Alberta's best efforts, Canada has not and left trillions of dollars of wealth (and hundreds of billions of dollars of tax revenue) on the table over the decades. LNG was a $100B/year revenue opportunity that Canada completely missed out on, which has enriched Norway, Australia, Qatar and the US. A huge chunk of the oil and gas tax bonanza has also been spent in the rest of Canada to improve the social services of the poorer provinces.

The other difference is Norway is a declining exporter, most of Alberta's oil and gas wealth is still in the ground, waiting to be extracted and sold for many decades to come, as oil and gas will continue to be the two most important commodities in the world economy.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Brendone

You really believe that world exists? Growing population with increasing need for goods and services, all delivered by electric semi trucks, trains, planes, and cargo ships?

Get a load of this guy.

World uses gasoline for 100 years give or take and he thinks it's the future, forever.

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Get a load of this guy.

World uses gasoline for 100 years give or take and he thinks it's the future, forever.

I have no idea where tech is heading, and I’m happy to be wrong, but I just can’t see the world surviving without cheap energy sustaining increasing basic needs. How much does a carbon neutral loaf of bread cost? $20? Can an electric tractor generate the same yield as diesel,or is it cut by 80% due to charging? Where does the charging power come from when nimbies block nuclear? It’s pointless to get on a soap box pushing for something doesn’t exist (nothing runs on unicorn farts yet). What is your viable solution to supplying carbon neutral essential services to a growing population?

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

Great. So we should allow price manipulation in a tight market?? Because that’s what happened.

That's how a market system deals with low supply. Look at European spot prices, when the sun is shining brightly prices are low, when the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing, prices are high. Those are the inevitable consequences of adding solar and wind and losing baseload power plants.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by accord1999

That's how a market system deals with low supply. Look at European spot prices, when the sun is shining brightly prices are low, when the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing, prices are high. Those are the inevitable consequences of adding solar and wind and losing baseload power plants.

How do these prices compare to the prices we have in alberta right now?

[Frequitude]

The Enmax fixed rate ($0.1279/kWh) is about €85/MWh at current exchange rate. Our power is cheaaap, despite what the people complaining about % increases will have you believe.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Muta

Yeah, no. Real discussion can be had, and has been. Maybe instead of coming in here and ironically posting nothing contributing to a 'real discussion', why don't you start a real discussion? Don't just add to the drive-by's one poster in here is already notorious for.

Because there is no point?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Would it help if everyone started rambling on about an alleged imminent revolution and then refuse to respond when people politely ask them to explain what they mean by that?

Glass houses Mr.Coffee

Sorry man meant to reply to that but at the time I saw it was working. What thread was that in again?

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Because there is no point?

So your strategy then is to populate this thread with the same valueless tripe that you say ruins this thread? A+ stuff.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

The Enmax fixed rate ($0.1279/kWh) is about €85/MWh at current exchange rate. Our power is cheaaap, despite what the people complaining about % increases will have you believe.

But is that chart apples to apples? Europe tends to be better at showing 'all-in' pricing. Many of the other line items on our bills are proportional to usage, so our actual cost per unit is certainly higher than just the listed rate. Obviously it's tougher to factor/compare the fixed charges

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Sorry man meant to reply to that but at the time I saw it was working. What thread was that in again?

It was in the shrinkage thread but I’m just giving you the gears.

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1694745952882728998


Either a liar or incompetent. Take your pick!

3. A poster and possibly a tweeter who haven’t actually read the draft regs.

Yes, not all needs to be decarbonized by 2035 so he’s factually correct there. But this tweet is completely misleading bait to snare the passionately uninformed.

A bunch needs to be decarbonized shortly after 2035 and long before 2050. And industrial heat supply from cogeneration is in scope. And CER has absolutely nothing to do with demand side requirements like electrification of heating, so I don’t know what that’s all about (it’s just supply side).

If you really want to speak so passionately and frequently about a topic, you should really read the regs and study our generation fleet in detail. Or at very least read sources who assess and explain them using analysis, reasoning, and facts. Do the work.

This has nothing to do with Alberta politics and everything to do with the feds specifically ******* up Alberta’s grid and, assuming you live here, causing either your power bill or taxes to sky rocket. There’s a lot of things to rightfully trash the UCP and Danielle Smith on. Soooooo many. This isn’t one of them. She and they are right here. Stop trying to make it political. You’re going to get ******* here, regardless if you wear blue or orange.