Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Major Major]

When is the election? Heard a lot of talk about it. Must be coming up

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

JT has successfully run 4 elections.

I would say it’s more like he some how fkd up less than the other dumb asses. The best of what’s left “winner”, which is a sad state, give what a dbag he is.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Sorry no. History says no PM has won 4 terms, and JT will not be the first. I missed that 4th election.

Edit Wilfred Laurier won 4 terms in 1908.

so explain the last 3 elections?

Large number of provinces that voted Conservative provincially, but the CPC can't attract them.

What happened?

Also I'm still waiting for you to articulate the excuses

I think the answer is for most that trot this excuse out that no matter who the CPC leader this same excuse will be used over and over again to justify continuing to blindly vote liberal.

By the way I wouldn’t bet against this “unelectable” CPC leader

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Brendone

I would say it’s more like he some how fkd up less than the other dumb asses. The best of what’s left “winner”, which is a sad state, give what a dbag he is.

Agreed, which is even more damning for the CPC

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by opendoor

I don't think it's all that surprising. I don't think neoliberal economic policies designed to favor the well off combined with social pandering was ever particularly exciting for younger people. The main reason the Liberals got those votes post-2015 was because people shifted from the NDP and Greens as the election got closer.

Now that doesn't mean it'll happen again. But based on the numbers, there's a pretty clear delineation between Conseratives/PPC and then everyone else. I suspect what Poilievre is trying to do right now is lock up the PPC crazies and then once there's a campaign he'll try to straddle the line between holding on to convoy vote while moderating to try to attract more from the center.

I think he's already got them locked up and is already making gains in the middle. If you watch his content its far less about convoy conspiracy type stuff and way more about housing, inflation, economy etc. He has a lot of screen time with minority communities as well. There is a reason the polls are starting to demonstrate the changing tides. Right now it looks much more like Pollivre is out connecting with people while Trudeau is the man in the ivory tower.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Major Major

When is the election? Heard a lot of talk about it. Must be coming up

Gotta be Oct 20, 2025.

So I wouldn't put too much stock into the polls.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Gotta be Oct 20, 2025.

So I wouldn't put too much stock into the polls.

It's hard to imagine the liberals call an election sooner given how poor the polls look for them.

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Agreed, which is even more damning for the CPC

It’s like the goal is to out stupid each other

Libs “I’m going to funnel money to personal interests ‘cause for jobs and charity”

UPC “Oh yeah, we’re going to eat babies!”

NDP “we’re going to team up with Libs so we can get tax dollars for baby dental plans, and eat them!”

Greens “We only support eating organic babies!”

Me “Well fk, guess I’ll just drink on election day”

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Brendone

It’s like the goal is to out stupid each other

Libs “I’m going to funnel money to personal interests ‘cause for jobs and charity”

UPC “Oh yeah, we’re going to eat babies!”

NDP “we’re going to team up with Libs so we can get tax dollars for baby dental plans, and eat them!”

Greens “We only support eating organic babies!”

Me “Well fk, guess I’ll just drink on election day”

It's more like

LPC "we are going to make vague statements in line with the majority of Canadian's social values and spend money like a drunken sailor"

CPC " we are going to make vague statements trying to explain away why members of our party are against the majority of Canadian's social values, and spend money like a drunken sailor"

NDP "we are going to oversell our social values and ignore anything else, and pretend we have power when he sit on the LCP's knee"

Greens "we are going to pretend that we are different than the NDP, but really we are just happy to be the hippie protest vote"

PPC "The jews are running the world we need to stop them".

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

It's hard to imagine the liberals call an election sooner given how poor the polls look for them.

You're probably right that the Liberals will have no interest in an early election but basically Singh and the NDP will be the ones that decide the timing. They will either prop up the current government until the deadline or they will bring the government down via non-confidence and force an election.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Sorry no. History says no PM has won 4 terms, and JT will not be the first. I missed that 4th election.

Edit Wilfred Laurier won 4 terms in 1908.

Macdonald won five, King won five, Trudeau père won four...

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

You're probably right that the Liberals will have no interest in an early election but basically Singh and the NDP will be the ones that decide the timing. They will either prop up the current government until the deadline or they will bring the government down via non-confidence and force an election.

I could see a fall 2024 election where the ballot question is “who speaks for Canada when the Republican candidate Donald Trump is elected”. Seems like a good ballot question for PP.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

You're probably right that the Liberals will have no interest in an early election but basically Singh and the NDP will be the ones that decide the timing. They will either prop up the current government until the deadline or they will bring the government down via non-confidence and force an election.

I'd be curious what NDP supporters prioritize.

A) An election sooner if it meant taking seats from a weak Liberal party but ultimately seeing the Conservatives win the election.

B) Not gaining any seats but helping Trudeau time the next election and keeping a similar house makeup to what we have now.

I wonder if keeping the Conservatives out is a bigger priority than growing their own party status.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I'd be curious what NDP supporters prioritize.

A) An election sooner if it meant taking seats from a weak Liberal party but ultimately seeing the Conservatives win the election.

B) Not gaining any seats but helping Trudeau time the next election and keeping a similar house makeup to what we have now.

I wonder if keeping the Conservatives out is a bigger priority than growing their own party status.

My guess is it would probably depend on whether or not they believe the cons would win a majority. A conservative majority would all but eliminate any chance of their policy goals being achieved. Even a CPC minority with the liberals holding the balance of power wouldn’t be ideal for them so my guess is they try to maintain the status quo while pushing through as much as they can while they can.

They’ve already made some pretty significant gains policy wise, probably some of the biggest gains ever by a third place party but unfortunately their pro-labour stance isn’t going to be enough to get them votes at the federal level since the labour legislation that affects the majority of voters is provincially regulated. So they’re going to need to drastically change their focus in other areas if they want a chance at ever becoming the official opposition again, not sure Singh is the guy to lead them there though.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I'd be curious what NDP supporters prioritize.

A) An election sooner if it meant taking seats from a weak Liberal party but ultimately seeing the Conservatives win the election.

B) Not gaining any seats but helping Trudeau time the next election and keeping a similar house makeup to what we have now.

I wonder if keeping the Conservatives out is a bigger priority than growing their own party status.

Ya. I agree. People might be saying they won’t vote Liberal now, but you know the last week of campaigning the Liberals will try and draw that vote, to keep CPC out. It happens all the time. Hopefully voters are smart enough figure out what having a Liberal government in power has got them.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Ya. I agree. People might be saying they won’t vote Liberal now, but you know the last week of campaigning the Liberals will try and draw that vote, to keep CPC out. It happens all the time. Hopefully voters are smart enough figure out what having a Liberal government in power has got them.

What if they’re also smart enough to figure out that PP isn’t likely to fix the situation either?

Quite the dilemma for our country.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Ya. I agree. People might be saying they won’t vote Liberal now, but you know the last week of campaigning the Liberals will try and draw that vote, to keep CPC out. It happens all the time. Hopefully voters are smart enough figure out what having a Liberal government in power has got them.

I think most progressives are smart enough to realize what having a Conservative government would mean to them and their loved ones. There is a reason why people vote to avoid conservative governments. PP needs to run with Danielle Smith by his side in Ontario to reassure voters in central Canada.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

What if they’re also smart enough to figure out that PP isn’t likely to fix the situation either?

Quite the dilemma for our country.

Disagree. But that’s definitely how some will try and spin it. Especially to justify their own vote.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I think most progressives are smart enough to realize what having a Conservative government would mean to them and their loved ones. There is a reason why people vote to avoid conservative governments. PP needs to run with Danielle Smith by his side in Ontario to reassure voters in central Canada.

What have a Conservative government means to their loved ones… well being able to afford to feed them is a good start!

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Disagree. But that’s definitely how some will try and spin it. Especially to justify their own vote.

Well everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion. But do you really think that you specifically sharing it here is going to be helpful for the CPC cause?

I mean I figure the last thing you’d want is for more moderate CPC supporters to begin to question why they support the same party as someone who also thinks it’s a good idea to get drunk and post transphobic innuendo on a message board.

Kind of an “Are we the baddies?” type scenario.