Newest Heroes (w/ SPOILERS!)

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

You can stop right there, because we know the only reason Claire is alive in this alternate future is because Peter saved her at Homecoming. That's why Future Hiro was pissed at the beginning of the episode - because he was trying to understand why Peter saving Claire did not alter his timeline.

An alternate future implies an alternate past in which something changed, but this plot is so complex already I just don't feel like arguing this one lol....

[Flames0910]

An alternate future implies an alternate past in which something changed, but this plot is so complex already I just don't feel like arguing this one lol....

the changed thing is that sylar was not killed by Hiro

we know peter petrelli saved claire in this future becuase future hiro tells her dad when he is trying to convince him

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

Hayden's Panneitere (sp) is one cute girl, blonde or brunette. But she is still 17, so fugeddaboudit....

for only 4 more months. plus doesn't Canada have some ridiculously low age of consent?

ok i really need to get on another train of thought now

[Wookie]

Who are Molly DL and Candice? At work and can't sneak around checking

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Wookie

Who are Molly DL and Candice? At work and can't sneak around checking

Molly - small girl that Matt saved from the house where Sylar killed her parents in the beginning of the series.

DL - Nikki's husband who went on the lam, and is the guy who takes Micah away from Nikki when she turns into Jessica. DL can phase through walls.

Candice - the woman who works with Thompson, and can take the illusion of someone else. Exact same powers as Mystique in X-Men.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by TanguayFan

the changed thing is that sylar was not killed by Hiro

we know peter petrelli saved claire in this future becuase future hiro tells her dad when he is trying to convince him

Oh yes, that's true. It slipped my mind.

However, the bomb hasn't gone off yet, so anytime between now and when it does is when Sylar can aquire regenerative powers. That could be from Mama Petrelli (whose powers we don't know of yet), or possibly Linderman with his healing ability, or someone else. We don't even know if Nathan has regenerative powers or not, given his bloodline - all we know is that he can fly, and that he's (probably) dead in the future timeline.

So many possiblities.

[Sylvanfan]

The thing is that Peter and Nikki seem to think Micah and DL are gone. But perhaps they're just in hiding, and think Nikki/Jessica is dead? Somehow Linderman taking Micah last week has to connect with all this and Nathan Petrelli being president. Afterall it's Linderman who tells Nathan that he will win the election and the explosion is what will galvanize him as a great leader setting him up to be the future president.

Who knows, but it was a pretty cool episode.

[V]

Very cool episode. But I think that there are two very easy ways for Sylar and Peter to kill each other. Why doesn't Peter stop time, ram a stick through Sylar's temples, and then fly him to the top of a mountain, or whatever?

Why doesn't Sylar kill the Haitian? He has easy access to him. This would mean he could buffer Peter's powers, and Peter would be helpless.

I really hope NYC still blows up. This future that they went into last show would be super-cool to work towards.

[TurnedTheCorner]

The closer it gets to the end of the season, the more convinced I am that the explosion in NYC will not be prevented.

Hiro barely knows how to use his power yet, it's safe to say Peter doesn't know how to either. It seems like a difficult ability to manifest.

Sylar has been neytralized ny the Haitian once (Homecoming) and fled from him another time (at Bennet's house). He must be tougher to take out then we think. Although in the future, Sylar could have got the drop on him no sweat (assuming he could still use Candice's power of illusion).

[Superflyer]

Originally Posted by V

I really hope NYC still blows up. This future that they went into last show would be super-cool to work towards.

And with that being said the FBI is now monitoring this thread and V.

You know this is a good show when 4 days after people are still talking about it.

I am thinking that Sylar cannot get the Hatian because he is always putting out the null vibe. You would have to get him with a physical meens, like a needle and not with powers. But then again if he is around the Hatian as Nathan would his powers be nulled and then return to Sylar's form????

[Rerun]

Here's the tv promo for the next episode airing on May 7... called "The Hard Part"

It shows a new hero... a little girl named Molly who has an "incredible" power and who is the one who can stop Sylar...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Jy9dZ3sfpE

here's another preview clip of this episode...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqlFb8rNbEQ

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Oh yes, that's true. It slipped my mind.

However, the bomb hasn't gone off yet, so anytime between now and when it does is when Sylar can aquire regenerative powers. That could be from Mama Petrelli (whose powers we don't know of yet), or possibly Linderman with his healing ability, or someone else. We don't even know if Nathan has regenerative powers or not, given his bloodline - all we know is that he can fly, and that he's (probably) dead in the future timeline.

So many possiblities.

I dont know why sylar needs regenerative powers for this timeline to make sense? He doesnt appear to have anything directly to do w/ the bomb. In this timeline it is all Linderman and teh Petrellis. The fact peter absorbs the nuclear powers shows that the guy he took them from was still alive (ie. Sylar hadnt killed him and taken the power).

All we really know about Sylar in this timeline is that at some point he kills Peter Patrelli and takes his place. Now depending on when he does that he may or may not have anything to do w/ the bomb.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by blankall

I dont know why sylar needs regenerative powers for this timeline to make sense? He doesnt appear to have anything directly to do w/ the bomb. In this timeline it is all Linderman and teh Petrellis. The fact peter absorbs the nuclear powers shows that the guy he took them from was still alive (ie. Sylar hadnt killed him and taken the power).

All we really know about Sylar in this timeline is that at some point he kills Peter Patrelli and takes his place. Now depending on when he does that he may or may not have anything to do w/ the bomb.

Peter doesn't have to acquire nuclear power from anyone. I think it's been implied the whole series that he is a walking, combustible bomb due to his power absorption. If there was someone with nuclear powers, then the only one who would have it at this point would be Molly Walker (as implied by the previews). However, unless it is by sheer coincidence, she has no reason to run into Peter at all, unless Thompson has something to do with it (who knows that Molly is the only one who can stop Sylar).

Sylar DOES need regenerative powers if he is injured in the explosion of New York, because all signs point to him being there in the season finale, and he needs to survive the bomb blast for the future to happen the way it was predicted. It would be a serious plothole if Sylar is not in New York when the bomb goes off, because the future timeline characters all believed he died in the explosion.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Peter doesn't have to acquire nuclear power from anyone. I think it's been implied the whole series that he is a walking, combustible bomb due to his power absorption. If there was someone with nuclear powers, then the only one who would have it at this point would be Molly Walker (as implied by the previews). However, unless it is by sheer coincidence, she has no reason to run into Peter at all, unless Thompson has something to do with it (who knows that Molly is the only one who can stop Sylar).

Sylar DOES need regenerative powers if he is injured in the explosion of New York, because all signs point to him being there in the season finale, and he needs to survive the bomb blast for the future to happen the way it was predicted. It would be a serious plothole if Sylar is not in New York when the bomb goes off, because the future timeline characters all believed he died in the explosion.

But the recent timeline suggests that Sylar has absolutely nothing directly to do w/ the exploslion. Linderman sets up Peter to set off the bomb. Sylar is not necessarily involved. Why does he need to regenerate? He now has the power to see the future, all he has to do is sit back and enjoy the show.

Here is my guess.... Prior to the explosion Nathan has an attack of consicous. He cannot let his brother go trough w/ the murder of thousands (maybe hundreds of thousdands, if not millions.). He backs out. Sylar steps in. Kills Nathan then takes his place (after killing the mystique ripoff that is). He cooperates w/ Linderman, then sets Peter up. When the explosion is about to occur he simply flies away. Does not need to survive anything.

I agree it would be a serious plot hole if Sylar is not in NY. But fortunately time alteration is involed. Hiro has stoped one set of events that leads to a NY holocaust, but unfortunately a second set of events also leads to that same conclusion. Now we deal w/ that second set of events, which does not revolve around Sylar particularly.

Molly clearly has some new power that can stop this new set of events. In the future, the chearleader has been saved, so this suggest that killing Sylar is not the only key to stopping the explosion.

Basically, my point is this. Since the cheerleader has been saved, the emphasis has been removed from Sylar. Now the greatest threat is Linderman and his manipulation of Peter via Nathan (or Sylar who takes his role). Molly's power once revealed will show a way to interfer w/ the path of manipulation between Linderman and Peter Patrelli.

[TurnedTheCorner]

Not to mention that Peter is the one who thinks it's his own ability become overloaded or out of control that causes him to "go nuclear". He has no idea there's a "hero" out there with a nuclear ability - the viewers, however, do. Ted is going to be in NYC next episode by the looks of it...

The previews do not hint in the least that Molly Walker has nuclear abilities. Are you sure you watch the show?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Not to mention that Peter is the one who thinks it's his own ability become overloaded or out of control that causes him to "go nuclear". He has no idea there's a "hero" out there with a nuclear ability - the viewers, however, do. Ted is going to be in NYC next episode by the looks of it...

The previews do not hint in the least that Molly Walker has nuclear abilities. Are you sure you watch the show?

The previews suggest Molly Walker has the ability to stop Sylar, which could be anything. Since the future timeline assumes Sylar was killed in the explosion (at least by the other characters), then Sylar must be in NYC, and something goes off. Ted will not be the man who does it - he is too minor of a character, and Peter blames himself in the future timeline for destroying NYC. Ted may be a catalyst, but certainly not the reason for it to happen.

Something tells me more and more that Peter acquires Molly's power in the next three episodes. It just seems more likely that they would, since Peter needs something to push him overboard to blow up NYC, and Molly has that power.

[Superflyer]

Not to derail the how does Sylar do this topic but here is a little link I found. It is a before they were stars thing.
http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,2003...037594,00.html

[TurnedTheCorner]

Ozy, Peter IN THE SHOW believes that absorbing too many abilities will cause him to explode. WE THE VIEWERS know that he absorbs others' abilities, and we have a character THAT WE ALREADY KNOW has nuclear abiliites. The logical assumption is that Peter runs across Ted at some point and obtains his abilities. Sugesting that somehow Molly's abilities have anything to do with Peter exploding is REALLY stretching it - especially when you dismiss Ted as a minor character when Molly has been on screen all of 10 minutes (if that) this season.

That's all I'm getting at. The show has taken surprising twists and turns all season, and I concede it's entirely possible the writers may have yet another one up their sleeves. But based on what we'vr seen, we have no reason not to think that someone acquiring Ted's ability, or Ted himself, is what is behind the explosion in NYC.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

The previews suggest Molly Walker has the ability to stop Sylar, which could be anything. Since the future timeline assumes Sylar was killed in the explosion (at least by the other characters), then Sylar must be in NYC, and something goes off. Ted will not be the man who does it - he is too minor of a character, and Peter blames himself in the future timeline for destroying NYC. Ted may be a catalyst, but certainly not the reason for it to happen.

Something tells me more and more that Peter acquires Molly's power in the next three episodes. It just seems more likely that they would, since Peter needs something to push him overboard to blow up NYC, and Molly has that power.

Yes it makes sense that Sylar is in NYC. Because although he doesnt cause the explosion anymore (directly anyway, Peter does), people think he did.

Giving Molly nuclear powers, however, does not make sense. We already have a character w/ that power. It also doesn't make sense that Sylar already had regnerative powers at that point, becuase when he gets Clair in the future he says "you dont know how long I've waited for this". He then blows his cover as president. I think he does this because after acquiring regenerative powers, which he did not have before, he now feels noone can stop him.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Ozy, Peter IN THE SHOW believes that absorbing too many abilities will cause him to explode. WE THE VIEWERS know that he absorbs others' abilities, and we have a character THAT WE ALREADY KNOW has nuclear abiliites. The logical assumption is that Peter runs across Ted at some point and obtains his abilities. Sugesting that somehow Molly's abilities have anything to do with Peter exploding is REALLY stretching it - especially when you dismiss Ted as a minor character when Molly has been on screen all of 10 minutes (if that) this season.

That's all I'm getting at. The show has taken surprising twists and turns all season, and I concede it's entirely possible the writers may have yet another one up their sleeves. But based on what we'vr seen, we have no reason not to think that someone acquiring Ted's ability, or Ted himself, is what is behind the explosion in NYC.

I'm curious to know why you think Ted is going to help Peter destroy NYC. It's either too obvious, or it doesn't make sense. I choose both. He is a guest-starring, re-occuring character, who's already demostrated his powers in the Bennett house. Why would the writers take him in that direction again? Surely they haven't run out of ideas already, have they? Ted IS a minor character at this point in the series, nowhere near tied in to the destruction of NY as say Peter, Nathan, Hiro, and a host of others. He didn't even have any idea what the hell was going on until Bennett told him that he and Matt had to go to NYC.

Given the twists and turns of the series, and given the popularity of the show, I doubt they're going to let Ted be the one to help destroy NYC. Too predictable, and an idea that is going to leave the show grasping for straws. Sylar, Molly, and other characters are too important for Ted to catalyze the ending.