2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Bourque's Twin]

Huberdeau is a first strike swinging blown by.
Kadri is a first strike foul ball super late.
Weegar is a taken first pitch strike.

The count is still ok.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Just my opinion but I know the flames presented a offer around 68Million and he didn't sign it so...

Yet

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Huberdeau is a first strike swinging blown by.
Kadri is a first strike foul ball super late.
Weegar is a taken first pitch strike.

The count is still ok.

Huberdeau and Weegar are still in the batters box as far as I’m concerned. Their extensions haven’t kicked in yet.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well we are at odds on this one.

Guess you both have the same odds on being correct.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I actually think Brookes is not as bad as Francis. Did you catch Francis Fridays on Flames Talk last Friday? He went at it pretty hard and even though other insiders and Conroy himself has stated Lindholm likes being a Flame, here comes Eric beating the "Lindholm won't sign here" drum while saying he shouldn't sign here anyhow because he should go UFA. Of course he also said nobody wants to play here. Guy is media poison for the Flames.

Francis put forward a decent amount of logic in why he doesn’t believe Lindholm will sign an extension here. I mean this in a non-argumentative way, but perhaps it’s better to argue his points, than it is just to say” Guy is media poison for the Flames.”

When it comes to Lindy, and any UFA really - why would they sign prior to this season? Lindy didn’t have a banger of a season last year (few did on the team), and the salary cap is projected/expected to go up a decent clip next year. For the player, why not go out and play the season out and have a “contract year” season that could end up being the best of his career and put him in a better position to capitalize on the rising cap? From his perspective, he should be asking for the absolute moon from the Flames to sign this summer. 68M is a lot, but this a professional athlete. It wouldn’t shock me that he believes he’s about to have a career year and could add another 7-10M to that 68M - or that he could get that 68M in a warmer/more desirable location?

Back to Francis and the media though, I find the idea that any of the Flames media is poisonous to the teams success laughable. Our media is not critical enough of this organization.

You know what I’ll remember about Loubo’s final year as colour commentator on the Fan 960 for? Paraphrasing:

“It’s not time to pile on the Flames. The Flames (organization) simply needs to be held to a higher standard.”

I think he is absolutely correct.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Francis put forward a decent amount of logic in why he doesn’t believe Lindholm will sign an extension here. Perhaps it’s better to argue his points, than just “Guy is media poison for the Flames.”

I find the idea that any of the Flames media is poisonous to the teams success laughable. Our media is not critical enough of this organization.

You know what I’ll remember about Loubo’s final year as colour commentator on the Fan 960 for? Paraphrasing:

“It’s not time to pile on the Flames. The Flames (organization) simply needs to be held to a higher standard.”

I think he is absolutely correct.

Sure. Just like he argued that Tkachuk would burn the Flames and walk as a UFA and no way he would sign an extension. Francis always looks for the negative spin, he is the Spurs of Calgary media. Ya, I am going to argue against his ridiculous point that nobody wants to play in Calgary.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Sure. Just like he argued that Tkachuk would burn the Flames and walk as a UFA and no way he would sign an extension. Francis always looks for the negative spin, he is the Spurs of Calgary media. Ya, I am going to argue against his ridiculous point that nobody wants to play in Calgary.

Added to my post a bit - but I think Francis questioned why Lindholm would sign an extension now - and that’s a good question.

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The eye test tells us that with even a reasonable improvement in goaltending, this teams should be a playoff team.

I get this, and I agree, but are we anything more than that? Sixteen teams make the playoffs. I get the "make the playoffs and anything can happen", and I think we may be a playoff team soon but we are a long, long way off from doing anything once we get there.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Added to my post a bit - but I think Francis questioned why Lindholm would sign an extension now - and that’s a good question.

72 million reasons why he’d sign an extension now. But who am I to judge?

[Jay Random]

Fans have this absurd idea that in the playoffs, the best teams always win.

Ask the Tampa Bay Lightning how they feel about that one:

2015 - Lost Cup finals.
2016 - Lost conference finals.
2017 - Missed playoffs. Oops.
2018 - Lost conference finals. Now we're back in business.
2019 - Swept in the first round. Ouch!
2020 - Won Stanley Cup. At last!
2021 - Won Stanley Cup. OK, we're talking dynasty here.
2022 - Lost Cup finals. Well, maybe not quite dynasty, but—
2023 - Lost in the first round to a team that hadn't won a playoff series in 19 years. Oof!

There is a lot of randomness in individual hockey games, and a best-of-seven series isn't enough to average it out. The worst team in the playoffs is still above average in the league, and I read some years ago (sorry, didn't save a link) that in hockey, such a team has about a 15-percent chance of beating a top seed in a best-of-seven series.

You won't win four rounds that way (though several Cinderellas have won three), but you can easily see a top team waste a great season with a fluke first-round loss. It happened to Tampa in 2019, to Boston this year, and it came within a skate blade of happening to the Flames back in '89.

If you make it to the playoffs, you're never ‘a long, long way off from doing anything’. At worst, you've got that shot at being the David who beats that year's Goliath.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Elliott got vezina votes as well. I was one of the fans that never liked Markstrom. Always liked when the flames would play him, seemed easy to beat with clean shots. Still is.

Clean shots aren't or weren't the problem with Markstrom starting with the Oilers series and carrying over into last year. It's ones that are finding their way through him that was the issue.

Vladar was getting beaten clean (high) and for a 6'5 goalie thats a problem.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Sure. Just like he argued that Tkachuk would burn the Flames and walk as a UFA and no way he would sign an extension. Francis always looks for the negative spin, he is the Spurs of Calgary media. Ya, I am going to argue against his ridiculous point that nobody wants to play in Calgary.

Francis:

Gaudreau is leaving
now he is staying
now leaving
now staying

"Hate to say but I totally called it"

lol

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Just my opinion but I know the flames presented a offer around 68Million and he didn't sign it so...

Why would he? It’s not the eleventh hour.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Fans have this absurd idea that in the playoffs, the best teams always win.

Ask the Tampa Bay Lightning how they feel about that one:

2015 - Lost Cup finals.
2016 - Lost conference finals.
2017 - Missed playoffs. Oops.
2018 - Lost conference finals. Now we're back in business.
2019 - Swept in the first round. Ouch!
2020 - Won Stanley Cup. At last!
2021 - Won Stanley Cup. OK, we're talking dynasty here.
2022 - Lost Cup finals. Well, maybe not quite dynasty, but—
2023 - Lost in the first round to a team that hadn't won a playoff series in 19 years. Oof!

There is a lot of randomness in individual hockey games, and a best-of-seven series isn't enough to average it out. The worst team in the playoffs is still above average in the league, and I read some years ago (sorry, didn't save a link) that in hockey, such a team has about a 15-percent chance of beating a top seed in a best-of-seven series.

You won't win four rounds that way (though several Cinderellas have won three), but you can easily see a top team waste a great season with a fluke first-round loss. It happened to Tampa in 2019, to Boston this year, and it came within a skate blade of happening to the Flames back in '89.

If you make it to the playoffs, you're never ‘a long, long way off from doing anything’. At worst, you've got that shot at being the David who beats that year's Goliath.

Sorry if I'm misinterpreting what you're saying -- but what you're showing here is exactly the case against "get in and anything can happen", isn't it?

What this shows is that you need to be a well enough constructed team to have a bunch of shots at contending and some decent level of playoff success over a number of years, in order to get it done, which Tampa absolutely did before getting their cups. They had deep playoff runs, and ultimately they won twice and had the opportunity to win a few more. Isn't this pretty much the best example of what you'd want a team to be? Its as close to dynasty territory you can get in the modern game.

Who cares about the one off seasons they got bounced early.

[Hackey]

Ya it's terrible logic. Why give yourself reasonable odds year after year when you can hope for a Cinderella run once every 30 years.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Fans have this absurd idea that in the playoffs, the best teams always win.

Ask the Tampa Bay Lightning how they feel about that one:

2015 - Lost Cup finals.
2016 - Lost conference finals.
2017 - Missed playoffs. Oops.
2018 - Lost conference finals. Now we're back in business.
2019 - Swept in the first round. Ouch!
2020 - Won Stanley Cup. At last!
2021 - Won Stanley Cup. OK, we're talking dynasty here.
2022 - Lost Cup finals. Well, maybe not quite dynasty, but—
2023 - Lost in the first round to a team that hadn't won a playoff series in 19 years. Oof!

There is a lot of randomness in individual hockey games, and a best-of-seven series isn't enough to average it out. The worst team in the playoffs is still above average in the league, and I read some years ago (sorry, didn't save a link) that in hockey, such a team has about a 15-percent chance of beating a top seed in a best-of-seven series.

You won't win four rounds that way (though several Cinderellas have won three), but you can easily see a top team waste a great season with a fluke first-round loss. It happened to Tampa in 2019, to Boston this year, and it came within a skate blade of happening to the Flames back in '89.

If you make it to the playoffs, you're never ‘a long, long way off from doing anything’. At worst, you've got that shot at being the David who beats that year's Goliath.

When did the last David win the Stanley Cup? Was it the 1986 Montreal Canadiens? I cannot think of a David since then that has won the Stanley Cup.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Fans have this absurd idea that in the playoffs, the best teams always win.

Ask the Tampa Bay Lightning how they feel about that one:

2015 - Lost Cup finals.
2016 - Lost conference finals.
2017 - Missed playoffs. Oops.
2018 - Lost conference finals. Now we're back in business.
2019 - Swept in the first round. Ouch!
2020 - Won Stanley Cup. At last!
2021 - Won Stanley Cup. OK, we're talking dynasty here.
2022 - Lost Cup finals. Well, maybe not quite dynasty, but—
2023 - Lost in the first round to a team that hadn't won a playoff series in 19 years. Oof!

There is a lot of randomness in individual hockey games, and a best-of-seven series isn't enough to average it out. The worst team in the playoffs is still above average in the league, and I read some years ago (sorry, didn't save a link) that in hockey, such a team has about a 15-percent chance of beating a top seed in a best-of-seven series.

You won't win four rounds that way (though several Cinderellas have won three), but you can easily see a top team waste a great season with a fluke first-round loss. It happened to Tampa in 2019, to Boston this year, and it came within a skate blade of happening to the Flames back in '89.

If you make it to the playoffs, you're never ‘a long, long way off from doing anything’. At worst, you've got that shot at being the David who beats that year's Goliath.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding but your takeaway from Tampa's history is that playoffs are random and any team that gets in can win it??

My takeaway from Tampa's history is very different. I agree that being the favorite doesn't guarantee a cup. But you need to be a consistent high-end contender over half a decade or so.

Like look at the last 10 years of cup winners. All consistent contenders. They made playoffs in multiple years and had some deep runs.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Francis:

Gaudreau is leaving
now he is staying
now leaving
now staying

"Hate to say but I totally called it"

lol

I think Francis was pretty consistent in his claim that JG wasn't going to sign here.....

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I think Francis was pretty consistent in his claim that JG wasn't going to sign here.....

Francis did flip flop at least once. I recall a day or two before he changed tune and said Gaudreau was staying on the Fan.

In his defence though, he was likely getting that from the Flames and maybe even someone close to Gaudreau himself. The Flames and plenty of others thought he was staying.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

No just having some fun
And I didn’t create the list I just added a fun spin to it
Dick.

Lol goodness, so reactive.