2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It's not about pretending things are good/great. I've acknowledged that this is one of the worst performing franchises in the league.

It's about having some hope.

As fans hope is often all we have.
It's the thing that binds us to the team and to each other.

But for me there isn’t any sign of hope (at least for the next ~5 years) and multiple signs against hope. That is what I am saying, if you can find hope great for you but I am not going to pretend it exists when it doesn’t.

[Poe969]

Wtf is going on in here???

[PepsiFree]

So why get offended when people point out you’re being negative when you think things are hopeless?

How is hopeless not viewed as more negative than hope? In what world? You can say it’s “realistic” but it’s still an objectively more negative view.

This conversation is so weird. I don’t understand how someone can say “I’m not negative I just think things are hopeless and that no positivity exists.”

[FlamesAddiction]

Obviously every fan wants/hopes the team does well. We all look at the information in front of us and loosely devise the odds in our heads for how the team will do in the near future. If someone weighs the positives and negatives and comes to the conclusion that the negatives outweigh the positives and sets their expectations to that, I don't think that makes them less of a fan. It could make them wrong and only time will tell. Being wrong isn't a bad thing. Personally, I am unconvinced that the results will be better next season than last and have pretty low expectations, but I will be much happier to be wrong than right.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Spurs

But for me there isn’t any sign of hope (at least for the next ~5 years) and multiple signs against hope. That is what I am saying, if you can find hope great for you but I am not going to pretend it exists when it doesn’t.

So you think there isn't any sign of hope but dispute that people find you to be negative?

[dammage79]

What a constructive conversation.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by dammage79

What a constructive conversation.

Sarcasm is negativities ugly cousin.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

So why get offended when people point out you’re being negative when you think things are hopeless?

How is hopeless not viewed as more negative than hope? In what world? You can say it’s “realistic” but it’s still an objectively more negative view.

This conversation is so weird. I don’t understand how someone can say “I’m not negative I just think things are hopeless and that no positivity exists.”

I don't think things are hopeless, we could easily make many moves that could give me hope, the difference is that I do not give credit for those things when they haven't happened yet.

The conversation is weird to you because you make up things people didn't say to fit your narrative.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Wtf is going on in here???

Yeah, don't y'all know this thread is only for Insiderrrrr gifs and fanboys now.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So you think there isn't any sign of hope but dispute that people find you to be negative?

No

I don't dispute people find me negative, I dispute that I actually am negative. People will have whatever view they want regardless.

If there were signs of hope and I ignored them then we could start a discussion of being negative but when those signs don't exist there is nothing negative about pointing that out.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Conroy is not going to do anything

Next big event is a fire sale at the TDL for picks and prospects if they are out of it. Or ride one last playoff hope and sign some UFAs to replace the ones leaving next summer


The writing is on the wall. You can take that to the bank. Guaranteed.

This is probably all true, but if other GMs aren't offering decent returns for the Flames group of pending UFA's then there isn't much CC can do about it.

He has to try and wait them out for better offers.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Spurs

No

I don't dispute people find me negative, I dispute that I actually am negative. People will have whatever view they want regardless.

If there were signs of hope and I ignored them then we could start a discussion of being negative but when those signs don't exist there is nothing negative about pointing that out.

Plenty of fans find a lot of signs of hope and reasons to be optimistic. In your troll opinion no signs exist, but that doesn't make it a factual, indisputable point. You are good at trolling, I'll give you that.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I don't think things are hopeless, we could easily make many moves that could give me hope, the difference is that I do not give credit for those things when they haven't happened yet.

The conversation is weird to you because you make up things people didn't say to fit your narrative.

Do you just not understand what words are, Yikes? Or what is going on here?

Originally Posted by Spurs

But for me there isn’t any sign of hope (at least for the next ~5 years) and multiple signs against hope. That is what I am saying, if you can find hope great for you but I am not going to pretend it exists when it doesn’t.

No sign of hope/hope doesn’t exist = hopeless

Who is making things up to fit a narrative? What narrative are they trying to fit? People are quoting what you are actually saying.

This has to be a troll job, right? You can’t seriously say something and then in the next post say someone is making up stories for saying you said what you said in the post before lol.

[traptor]

It's nice that their is a broad range of opinions in this forum.

It would be boring as #### to be an echo chamber.

What's annoying is people who attack other people for having their different opinions, wether that is positive or negative.

If someone wants to be negative all the time, who cares let them.

If someone wants to be positive all the time, who cares let them.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Do you just not understand what words are, Yikes? Or what is going on here?



No sign of hope/hope doesn’t exist = hopeless

Who is making things up to fit a narrative? What narrative are they trying to fit? People are quoting what you are actually saying.

This has to be a troll job, right? You can’t seriously say something and then in the next post say someone is making up stories for saying you said what you said in the post before lol.

No it doesn’t.

Just because there are no signs of hope now doesn’t mean that can’t change. So it’s not hopeless.

We could easily show signs of hope with a Lindholm snd/or Hanifin deal. That would be an easy way to give me signs of hope so it’s not close to hopeless which is why I never said it was hopeless.

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by traptor

It's nice that their is a broad range of opinions in this forum.

It would be boring as #### to be an echo chamber.

What's annoying is people who attack other people for having their different opinions, wether that is positive or negative.

If someone wants to be negative all the time, who cares let them.

If someone wants to be positive all the time, who cares let them.

Forum Police:

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

This is probably all true, but if other GMs aren't offering decent returns for the Flames group of pending UFA's then there isn't much CC can do about it.

He has to try and wait them out for better offers.

Agreed, however at some point,,,, Flames might run out of time.

I can't imagine, they want to start the season with this many UFAs

Especially if Lindholm doesn't resign by training camp.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Spurs

No it doesn’t.

Just because there are no signs of hope now doesn’t mean that can’t change. So it’s not hopeless.

We could easily show signs of hope with a Lindholm snd/or Hanifin deal. That would be an easy way to give me signs of hope so it’s not close to hopeless which is why I never said it was hopeless.

You’re hopeless.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Spurs

But for me there isn’t any sign of hope (at least for the next ~5 years) and multiple signs against hope. That is what I am saying, if you can find hope great for you but I am not going to pretend it exists when it doesn’t.

The Flames probably rank near the bottom of the league when it comes to it's core, cap situation, prospect pool and future picks but there is always hope.

If you look back at every draft in NHL, if you re-did any draft ever, none would go exactly the same.

If you look at annual top 50 prospects, those list re-done would be very different and many prospects not on the lists would be added.

If you play your young players you have some hope. Wolf could be the next Shesterkin, Honzek or Coronato could be stars. Pelletier or Zary could be 1st line players. You just don't know until they play in this league and develop.

Even if you completely mismange your team, over estimate how good you are, lose key players in bad trades and draft terribely every year and basically maanage your team like the Oilers do and still get McDavid and have some hope.

[Enoch Root]

No signs of hope - LOL

New coach
New GM
Wolf
Coronato, Pelletier, Honzek, Morin Suniev,...
Potential bounce-back years for Huberdeau, Markstrom, Kadri

The list goes on and on.

You can disagree with some of these if you like, but saying "there isn't any sign of hope, at least for the next 5 years" has to be a troll job, because it certainly isn't rational.