2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

It would only make sense if it was a sign and trade.

Noah is only 26 and will be a good player for likely the entirety of his next deal should he sign for 8 years. If it isn't a sign and trade I don't expect anything more than what we have seen in the past for defensemen like Noah (1st, roster player and B prospect)

It doesn’t have to be a strict sign and trade. They can sign Hanifin for 8 if they trade for him now. They just have to know he’d agree to a deal. Like Mark Stone basically agreed to an extension with Vegas.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Haven't seen it mentioned ...

But Steinberg's Flames Talk show yesterday had him relieving some of my concerns over the Flames walking their players to free agency. Said in talking to Conroy he gets the feeling the players would be on the move to retain value regardless of position in the standings.

(paraphrasing)

Steinberg also openly speculating on/discussing Lindholm not signing the deal that’s been on the table. Questioning that with Lindy not signing the “good deal” that’s been on the table for months now (used $72M as the example), if he does end up signing it…what’s taken so long? Is it that he wants to be here (…if so, why hasn’t he signed already?) or is it because he believes it’s the best deal he’ll ever get? Steinberg voiced concerns about the 2nd “scenario”.

Segment kind of closed with “what’s the hold up?”

The conversation ends up going down the path of “I don’t see the Flames finding a legit #1 centre in the next 5 years - so they have to sign Lindholm” and holy what a sad state of affairs that is.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Hanafin isn't even in his prime yet so his age should not be a factor in any trade discussion as he's at the perfect age to receive a long term deal as he should perform well throughout the entirety of the deal.

But whether he'll sign a long term deal as part of the trade will be a huge factor in the value he'll return.

And with the cap supposed going rise quite a bit over the next few years, he'll likely want a deal today that will take that into account.

Otherwise, he may as well simply play this year, become a UFA, and sign when the cap is greater and there are more teams presumably willing to meet his demands.

I expect that's what is keeping Lindholm unsigned. The Flames are negotiatiating 2023 cap, Lindholm is negotiating future cap.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Steinberg also openly speculating on/discussing Lindholm not signing the deal that’s been on the table. Questioning that with Lindy not signing the “good deal” that’s been on the table for months now (used $72M as the example), if he does end up signing it…what’s taken so long? Is it that he wants to be here (…if so, why hasn’t he signed already?) or is it because he believes it’s the best deal he’ll ever get? Steinberg voiced concerns about the 2nd “scenario”.

Segment kind of closed with “what’s the hold up?”

This is how I feel as well. Dissentowner says they both want a deal and are trying to get the best one. We already assume 8 years is a given. If the Flames are offering in the 8 to 9M range then it should be a relatively easy yes or no if he actually wants to be here. Lindholm would be pretty foolish to assume he's getting much better on the open market, especially if you factor in that 8th year. So if he's taking a wait and see approach then he definitely isn't sold on Calgary by any means.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The conversation ends up going down the path of “I don’t see the Flames finding a legit #1 centre in the next 5 years - so they have to sign Lindholm” and holy what a sad state of affairs that is.

Sad state or reality?

The Flames spent pretty much all of Iginla's time in Calgary looking for a number one center.

You only find them at the top of the draft and the Flames have only drafted top five once in their Calgary history.

Not sure if it's sad, or just true?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hackey

This is how I feel as well. Dissentowner says they both want a deal and are trying to get the best one. We already assume 8 years is a given. If the Flames are offering in the 8 to 9M range then it should be a relatively easy yes or no if he actually wants to be here. Lindholm would be pretty foolish to assume he's getting much better on the open market, especially if you factor in that 8th year. So if he's taking a wait and see approach then he definitely isn't sold on Calgary by any means.

Can't argue with that.

He didn't sign so he was waiting for something. That something clearly hasn't happened to the good nor the bad.

They may not have clarity going into the season about what pieces are moving, so then it's back to Conroy to say take it or leave it and move on at some point.

[Nelson]

Players being moved in season regardless of the standings for asset management’s sake is great news! Such moves would represent a significant change from prior regimes, and they have been difficult for me to believe in for that reason. But cool!

I think the fact that Lindholm has not agreed to a contract despite having a very large offer for months means he doesn’t want to sign in Calgary. And I don’t get the sense that Steinberg has any information about Lindholm’s mindset to counter that point.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Can't argue with that.

He didn't sign so he was waiting for something. That something clearly hasn't happened to the good nor the bad.

They may not have clarity going into the season about what pieces are moving, so then it's back to Conroy to say take it or leave it and move on at some point.

Agreed but IMO that "some point" is now.

Doesnt mean a trade has to happen right now, just that both parties agree it will happen at some point in the season.

Also agree with Hackey in that there is nothing else holding things up (if that 8 year deal is on the table) other than Lindholm wanting to move on regardless. He isnt getting more money nor term elsewhere.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The conversation ends up going down the path of “I don’t see the Flames finding a legit #1 centre in the next 5 years - so they have to sign Lindholm” and holy what a sad state of affairs that is.

I'm willing to bet they're not actually this stupid.

Lindy isn't signing here.

[Moneyhands23]

My main thought on this, is that if Lindholm doesn't sign then the team can't compete as is. I can't see a trade bringing in a number 1 center even if they packaged lindholm and hanifin.

Reality is the only way forward if lindy moves on is a rebuild. Anything else is just ridiculous and a slap in the face to the fans.

[MrMike]

This is my best gut feeling guess.

Lindholm Signs before the season begins
Hanifin traded before the season begins
Backlund plays into the season and depending on how the team performs, re-signs or gets moved during the season.

[Toonage]

Unpopular opinion time, but if that San Jose deal rumored around the draft is true, and Lindholm doesn't want to sign here I'd go for that if I were Conroy.

You get a 1C for a few years (Couture), albeit an older player but the cost would be similar to what you'd have paid Lindholm. You also get a top LW prospect who could also play C (Eklund). Maybe even a pick as well.

In a few years you get the cap space back, hopefully have drafted or developed someone who can step in at 1C.

You aren't left twisting in the wind with Kadri at 1C.

[Vinny01]

I wonder if Lindholm is waiting to see if Huberdeau bounces back/plays better before he signs? Huberdeau not getting significantly better will doom this team no matter what as having a $10.5M winger playing more like a $4M player in year 1 of his 8 year deal would be an absolute nail in the coffin of this team.

If Huby comes back and finds his game and perhaps he and Lindy connect the second go around then perhaps there would be a lot more incentive for Lindholm to stay since he will believe there is a chance to win here.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I wonder if Lindholm is waiting to see if Huberdeau bounces back/plays better before he signs? Huberdeau not getting significantly better will doom this team no matter what as having a $10.5M winger playing more like a $4M player in year 1 of his 8 year deal would be an absolute nail in the coffin of this team.

If Huby comes back and finds his game and perhaps he and Lindy connect the second go around then perhaps there would be a lot more incentive for Lindholm to stay since he will believe there is a chance to win here.

From a player I know on the team it sounds like Lindy wants to see what the vibe is like with Darryl gone. That's why the Flames haven't given him a drop dead date. He also feels like he played on a discount contract so he wants to make sure he gets paid this time around.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Agreed but IMO that "some point" is now.

Doesnt mean a trade has to happen right now, just that both parties agree it will happen at some point in the season.

Also agree with Hackey in that there is nothing else holding things up (if that 8 year deal is on the table) other than Lindholm wanting to move on regardless. He isnt getting more money nor term elsewhere.

You're right, seems he is ready to move on. No less, you need a trade partner who is offering value back for him. In the writing is on the wall, then teams aren't exactly offering a ransom for a player they can sign for nothing in a year.

[NewFan]

I think the players clearly see that this team is not contender. And I'm sure Lindholm doesn't want to play rebuilding team with a big contract. Backlund, Hanifin want out.

So in my opinion the management really needs to have clear plan to build the best possible team to compete the cup 3 or more years. And I think the current roster can't do that.

This team needs retool, rebuild and collect young players to have a better future.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

From a player I know on the team it sounds like Lindy wants to see what the vibe is like with Darryl gone. That's why the Flames haven't given him a drop dead date. He also feels like he played on a discount contract so he wants to make sure he gets paid this time around.

I completely believe this is the case, but its also a bit of a luxury he doesn't have, and the team doesn't have. You can't let him play out the year or half of it and see what he thinks and risk injury etc or watch his play suffer if he isn't happy for whatever reason.

Basically he's going to have to take a leap of faith that its better or he'll have to move on.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

From a player I know on the team it sounds like Lindy wants to see what the vibe is like with Darryl gone. That's why the Flames haven't given him a drop dead date. He also feels like he played on a discount contract so he wants to make sure he gets paid this time around.

The longer this has gone the more it seemed like that is the case he probably wants to see what the culture is now with the dark cloud punted and not just committing to a 8 year deal and things don't seem better too him.

Savards comment kind of hinted at that as well. We want to create a culture and environment for guys that they don't want to leave the rink and end up staying.

Part 1 is done now its up to the new group to change the perception and culture outside and inside the organization that they treat players better and a place for young players to be as well. You can't do that without a single game being played yet.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by NewFan

I think the players clearly see that this team is not contender. And I'm sure Lindholm doesn't want to play rebuilding team with a big contract. Backlund, Hanifin want out.

So in my opinion the management really needs to have clear plan to build the best possible team to compete the cup 3 or more years. And I think the current roster can't do that.

This team needs retool, rebuild and collect young players to have a better future.

An underrated point around here IMO.
We argue back & forth about what a contender is, just get in & anything can happen etc.
But it doesn't seem like the players themselves believe in this locker room. Why would the fans?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

You're right, seems he is ready to move on. No less, you need a trade partner who is offering value back for him. In the writing is on the wall, then teams aren't exactly offering a ransom for a player they can sign for nothing in a year.

With Lindholm we don't know though.

With Hanifin I'd say that's spot on because he hasn't been moved yet, and doesn't want to come back.

If they want to sign Lindholm, it's different ... because they could be sitting on decent offers but not ready to pull the trigger.