Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Source?

Genuinely curious.

Like I said, if the grid can’t handle it, then the grid can’t handle it. I wouldn’t know where to look for this information.

I don't have a specific source for that, because it's just something she made up(as she does). Highly recommend looking through Blake Shaffer's Twitter feed, as he actually understands the electricity market.

https://nitter.net/bcshaffer?lang=en

Kent Fellows wrote good article here:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busi...e-free-market/

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Found this. Hope this helps.

https://calgaryherald.com/news/alber...rural-concerns

The grid operator wasn't prepared, that doesn't mean the grid itself can't handle it.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Found this. Hope this helps.



https://calgaryherald.com/news/alber...rural-concerns

That doesn't help you, it doesn't point why they can't "deal with it". Is it managerial? Procedural? Nothing says it's line load capacity, and I would be hard pressed to think it's capacity related.

[Ozy_Flame]

Andrew Leach, of all people, is an energy researcher among academics and the general SME community blasting this move as terrible. Quite the source to pick for right-wing gaslighting indeed.

[Monahammer]

This is the exact problem with cherry picking quotes though. Whoever wrote that canadian press article is a total moron. Now, people without context on who Andrew Leach is or without the sense to look into positions, believe that he was supporting this move.

[Doctorfever]

Take it easy. Just trying to provide some information. I want to know that same as you want to know.

Like I said before, it doesn’t have to be political (even if DS is using it as a political tool).

Gaslighting?? Please….

[Monahammer]

https://twitter.com/andrew_leach?ref...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Well, you should at least google the guy before quoting him to bolster a position. Just read his twitter feed beyond the CER stuff from today (emerging news) and you'll easily understand what he thinks of this

[Tron_fdc]

OK so that article mentions a "concern" that the grid operator wasn't prepared for all the renewable generation coming online. The issue with wind and solar is it's typically remote, so infrastructure needs to be in place in order to transport the generation to its users. That is also regulated, and it's a poor business plan for anyone building renewables to build out generation and then sit there waiting for some way to transport it. These projects are heavily financed, so I doubt any lender would be crazy enough to stroke a cheque for hundreds of millions of dollars knowing they may never be able to transport the power somewhere to sell it.

In Alberta's case, even if what Andrew Leach said is true (which I doubt, he likely doesn't fully understand the complexities of the market), stopping the development of renewables when you need their generation the most, all because you're "not sure" if you can build the transport infrastructure is pretty disingenuous. I mean, if it WERE the case you could accelerate transport infrastructure to align with generation build out (both of which take years), but that means you would be solving a problem you helped create.

Instead......F Trudeau is what we get from the Premier.

It's ridiculous.

[Tron_fdc]

On a side note, I happen to have a 10 page letter to the premier from 2000 written by a colleague of mine that predicted exactly what we are seeing.

Is there somewhere I can upload it so people can read it? It's a scanned PDF.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Gaslighting?? Please….

You said "but if what they are saying is true, and the growth of renewables has outpaced the grid’s abilities to handle it, then we must pause."

Then you had to find a quote from Andrew Leach just to come up with something to fill the "they" definition when called out on it.

It would stand to reason you didn't really hear that quote at all, you just made a statement, and had to find a source to back that up. And knowing your political leanings, there's a good chance you'd side with UCP decision making as your baseline until proven quite wrong.

So yeah, gaslighting. Trying to throw doubt and confusion into reality.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

OK so that article mentions a "concern" that the grid operator wasn't prepared for all the renewable generation coming online. The issue with wind and solar is it's typically remote, so infrastructure needs to be in place in order to transport the generation to its users. That is also regulated, and it's a poor business plan for anyone building renewables to build out generation and then sit there waiting for some way to transport it. These projects are heavily financed, so I doubt any lender would be crazy enough to stroke a cheque for hundreds of millions of dollars knowing they may never be able to transport the power somewhere to sell it.

In Alberta's case, even if what Andrew Leach said is true (which I doubt, he likely doesn't fully understand the complexities of the market), stopping the development of renewables when you need their generation the most, all because you're "not sure" if you can build the transport infrastructure is pretty disingenuous. I mean, if it WERE the case you could accelerate transport infrastructure to align with generation build out (both of which take years), but that means you would be solving a problem you helped create.

Instead......F Trudeau is what we get from the Premier.

It's ridiculous.

Sucks when you have your little pet projects moth balled doesn’t it?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

You said "but if what they are saying is true, and the growth of renewables has outpaced the grid’s abilities to handle it, then we must pause."

Then you had to find a quote from Andrew Leach just to come up with something to fill the "they" definition when called out on it.

It would stand to reason you didn't really hear that quote at all, you just made a statement, and had to find a source to back that up. And knowing your political leanings, there's a good chance you'd side with UCP decision making as your baseline until proven quite wrong.

So yeah, gaslighting. Trying to throw doubt and confusion into reality.

Thank you for clarifying.

If my unintentional gaslighting sidetracked the discussion, I am sorry.

Just looking for some info on the subject, so far, Tron has been the able to provide some.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Sucks when you have your little pet projects moth balled doesn’t it?

LOL "little" pet projects?

A large number of these projects get financed by O&G operators to create green credits to avoid emissions taxes. It's why the feds accepted the TIER program in lieu of a carbon tax.

"The TIER Regulation applies to large emitters and those who have opted-in to the system, requiring regulated facilities to reduce emissions to meet facility benchmarks. The TIER Regulation also establishes the Alberta Emission Offset System or emission performance credits (EPCs) and emission offsets (Offsets) available to emitters to meet their reduction targets. Facilities regulated under the TIER Regulation are exempted from the federal fuel charge under the Greenhouse Gas Pollution Pricing Act so long as the TIER Regulation maintains federal stringency requirements."


https://www.mccarthy.ca/en/insights/...ccus-framework

But I guess it's no surprise that you don't understand that.

It's also no surprise you don't see that these "pet projects" coming online would help solve generation capacity issues, thus helping reduce prices to the consumers.

You know, the whole "supply and demand" thing you learn in junior high.

IT WAS NOTLEY though, right?

LAURENTIAN ELITES!

WEF!

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

On a side note, I happen to have a 10 page letter to the premier from 2000 written by a colleague of mine that predicted exactly what we are seeing.

Is there somewhere I can upload it so people can read it? It's a scanned PDF.

Try this:
https://tiiny.host/pdf-upload/

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

It's all Fotze's fault anyways for introducing CP to Yoho and his deplorable wife because her last name had Anus in it....

sorry what?

Can you explain

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

sorry what?

Can you explain

Cory Morgan's wife is former weirdo poster First Lady

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Cory Morgan's wife is former weirdo poster First Lady

Who's last name changed from Anus(?) to Morgan, and somehow that became a downgrade.

[Izzle]

McManus? That makes way more sense that straight up anus.

[Ozy_Flame]

First Lady was a thing.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Regardless who posts it it’s the Premier speaking.

Well she's the third biggest loser, so...