2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Ped

I thought Formenton was issued a QO but then they just never signed him.

He is still shown on the reserve list with Senators via CapFriendly, I believe he was issued an QO

Just not signed,

[Mr.Coffee]

I wonder if in a standard NHL players contract, the involvement in an incident like this is grounds to terminate the contract. I'm going to assume so since it is pretty customary to have non-compliance with 'Applicable Laws' as a satisfactory condition to terminate.

And if the above is correct and Dube is involved, personally I would want the Flames to just terminate and move on. There are thousands of other, more well deserving people, that have played and worked hard their entire lives that can play in the NHL than keeping sexual offenders because they may outpace scoring by a few points.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I wonder if in a standard NHL players contract, the involvement in an incident like this is grounds to terminate the contract. I'm going to assume so since it is pretty customary to have non-compliance with 'Applicable Laws' as a satisfactory condition to terminate.

And if the above is correct and Dube is involved, personally I would want the Flames to just terminate and move on. There are thousands of other, more well deserving people, that have played and worked hard their entire lives that can play in the NHL than keeping sexual offenders because they may outpace scoring by a few points.

Depends on the extent of his involvement as to whether termination could occur.

I expect that if he was simply there and didn’t actively participate would still be enough these days. The days of turning a blind eye are largely over.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Why not both?

... because they don't have the cap space or the assets to acquire both. Hell I'm not sure they will have the cap space or the assets to acquire just one.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Depends on the extent of his involvement as to whether termination could occur.

I expect that if he was simply there and didn’t actively participate would still be enough these days. The days of turning a blind eye are largely over.

....and should be... these are crimes FFS and these are people that are extremely lucky to be in the position they are. If we're going to idolize hockey players in this country than we need to hold them to an extremely high standard for a lot of good reasons.

[Toonage]

Found it interesting that recently Conroy discussed starting contract extension talks with Dube. To me, that sounds like a GM not too concerned with any forthcoming suspension.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Found it interesting that recently Conroy discussed starting contract extension talks with Dube. To me, that sounds like a GM not too concerned with any forthcoming suspension.

Yeah, that's how I took it as well. I think it's safe to say that although the involved players aren't publicly known, I'm sure all the teams know who was and wasn't involved.

I wouldn't read too much into anyone's individual statement because it makes sense for them to all put out the same statement. If 15 players put out a statement where 10 said they absolutely weren't involved and 5 went with the "cleared of any wrongdoing" statement, it would be pretty easy to pinpoint who was involved.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I wonder if Hanifin or Karlsson gets traded first. Leaning towards Karlsson

Looks like I might be right:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1687471784348528641

[ForeverFlameFan]

^ which then likely makes Hanifin the prime D target for anyone else looking for one. I think only a few teams were able to fit in Karlsson, so maybe the trade market gets back on heat.

As for forwards, I think nothing has happened with Lindholm yet because of Scheifele also on the move.

[dustygoon]

Andy Strickland mentioned that San Jose offered Tarasenko $6mm. What the heck are they doing? Is this a rebuild?

I can't see this Karlsson trade netting much and probably leads to retention.

For the first time ever I'm getting emails from the Sharks advertising luxury boxes for this coming season. Starting to think Sharks can't do a rebuild else season tickets plummet further.

[bax]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Andy Strickland mentioned that San Jose offered Tarasenko $6mm. What the heck are they doing? Is this a rebuild?

I can't see this Karlsson trade netting much and probably leads to retention.

For the first time ever I'm getting emails from the Sharks advertising luxury boxes for this coming season. Starting to think Sharks can't do a rebuild else season tickets plummet further.

It sounds like Tarasenko had a pretty limited market. I bet it was just just a one year deal where they would be able to retain and flip him at the deadline for a few additional assets.

[memphusk]

San Jose probably planned on buying assets.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Andy Strickland mentioned that San Jose offered Tarasenko $6mm. What the heck are they doing? Is this a rebuild?

I can't see this Karlsson trade netting much and probably leads to retention.

For the first time ever I'm getting emails from the Sharks advertising luxury boxes for this coming season. Starting to think Sharks can't do a rebuild else season tickets plummet further.

They kind of need to though. They finally stocked up on some solid prospects from the most recent draft and need to do that for another 2/3 years while also figuring out who will take Karlsson, Couture, and whoever else they need to get rid of.

Rebuild is the right route, at least for now. You've got LA, Edmonton, Vegas who imo are for-sure playoff starters, and then you've got WC teams with Seattle, Calgary, and Vancouver. Assuming they are worse than Anaheim next season, they are worst i the division. They're going to need to rebuild whether they like it or not.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

They kind of need to though. They finally stocked up on some solid prospects from the most recent draft and need to do that for another 2/3 years while also figuring out who will take Karlsson, Couture, and whoever else they need to get rid of.

Rebuild is the right route, at least for now. You've got LA, Edmonton, Vegas who imo are for-sure playoff starters, and then you've got WC teams with Seattle, Calgary, and Vancouver. Assuming they are worse than Anaheim next season, they are worst i the division. They're going to need to rebuild whether they like it or not.

They should rebuild. But I'm starting to think they worry about lost ticket sales. My bet.....they plan on having Will Smith on the team (mistake) and wanted Tarasenko for him to then flip for something at the deadline. Then they advertise the #### out of that. Losing Karlsson is going to hurt more.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Who reported that?

Think that it was Duhatchek musing that Lindholm will want to see what the new GM and coach are like for the organization and how the dressing room is this year.
Thoughts are that the Flames want to keep him and the contract dollars won't be hard to agree to its whether or not Lindholm wants to spend 8 more years in Calgary.
Flames want him and will give him that time. Most likely until after Christmas. Sometime in January Lindholm will need to decide or will be traded if he does not want to sign.
Only way it happens before then is if a team offers the Flames a great deal and they go to Lindholm and say you have to decide now.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Our UFAs sure like to string along the organization. Don’t think they are really gaining much leverage by doing it. Pretty selfish in my mind. If you’ve been here as long as they have you know if you want to stay or not. You can look at the cap situation and figure out whether you’re going to get paid or not.

I’d bet their agents are trying to see what Conroy’s made of. Whether he will panic.

The team was a mess last year. I don't blame Lindholm for wanting to see what it's actually like on the team this year before committing long term.

[Toonage]

That doesn't fly with me. He knows the GM. He knows the coach. I'd prefer if he just came out and said I want to see if we're a winning team. But even then he might just wait it out until the playoffs to see how they do, and the Flames history suggests they'd roll the dice with that.

If he isn't signed come camp, you have to move him.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Toonage

That doesn't fly with me. He knows the GM. He knows the coach. I'd prefer if he just came out and said I want to see if we're a winning team. But even then he might just wait it out until the playoffs to see how they do, and the Flames history suggests they'd roll the dice with that.

If he isn't signed come camp, you have to move him.

I think originally he was waiting on the Hanifin return (maybe the Backlund decision as well) as he didn't want to sign long term with a team taking a step back.

Market grinds to a standstill and now those decision points are hanging in the balance.

With that he holds the cards ... just don't sign, and it puts it back in the Flames corner.

The Flames with a GM that said he doesn't want to walk players to free agency (and two ex GMs with experience) has to have had that internal discussion ....

1) How long can we sit on this with the player not making a decision?
2) What happens if we go into the season and get into a playoff spot? Can we still move him?

I'm pretty sure one of the two gets moved before camp, the other before the season starts.

Lindholm won't love the Hanifin return from a win now mode, and nothing else will have changed.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

^ which then likely makes Hanifin the prime D target for anyone else looking for one. I think only a few teams were able to fit in Karlsson, so maybe the trade market gets back on heat. .

Who’s left looking for a #3-4 dman?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Who’s left looking for a #3-4 dman?

With the right partner Hanifin can play top pairing. But you're right, 2nd pairing is his most natural fit.