Hockey Canada, CHL settle lawsuit over alleged sexual assault involving WJ players

[Samonadreau]

Poster: Not Every single junior player is a bad egg.

CP: Are you trying to pretend hazing isnt an issue?

jfc

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Why are we even bothering to pretend hazing and other toxic-masculinity-fueled stupidity wasn’t a widespread issue?

How many stories need to be told to accept reality, here? And at what point do we recognize that pretending every incident was just an isolated incident is absurd?

Of course the “stories” will be “bad/incidents” that’s what makes them the stories

Not going to hear a lot of “so on the bus ride home from the game last night everyone had a nap and played cards”

And most of the “stories” are urban legends that get passed down over and over and never actually happened or happened once .

Are there problems ? Absolutely . We’re there sexual incidents , both from players and coaches . 100%.

But that doesn’t make everyone , or even the majority of junior hockey players a problematic , sexual predator, pervert , hazzer.

Just as every coach of young men isn’t Graham James, every player isn’t the worst story to ever be told.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If you accept that as OK, you are part of the problem, you just don't know it.

Society is the problem and has been for many years, I'm older now but I doubt much has changed in 40-50 years, girls are attracted to young good looking jocks and sometimes a mix of alcohol/drugs makes things turn sideways in a hurry, blame society, blame the 70's hippies, blame the parents but don't just blame the young boys.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Who is pretending that it wasn't a widespread issue?

Saying every team and every player didn't participate isn't denying that it isn't a widespread issue.

One person said that. But I thought it was weird to say “well that could have happened but that doesn’t mean it was everywhere and with everyone!” to other people who were just sharing their experience and noting that they believed it to be a widespread issue.

If it’s a widespread issue, and we all agree, why are we bothering to minimize people’s individual experiences or accuse them of just hating hockey players? Or pretending that these guys haven’t historically been put on pedestals? Weird stuff.

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Poster: Not Every single junior player is a bad egg.

CP: Are you trying to pretend hazing isnt an issue?

jfc

Poster: This is my experience, it was a widespread issue

Also CP: Just because it happened to you doesn’t mean it happened to EVERYBODY!

jfc?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by btimbit

We're not doing that though, we're just replying to the comment that "if you came across any junior hockey player in Canada 15+ years ago you almost just rolled your eyes at how disgusting and perverted you knew they were"

You’re not doing that, no.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

One person said that. But I thought it was weird to say “well that could have happened but that doesn’t mean it was everywhere and with everyone!” to other people who were just sharing their experience and noting that they believed it to be a widespread issue.

If it’s a widespread issue, and we all agree, why are we bothering to minimize people’s individual experiences or accuse them of just hating hockey players? Or pretending that these guys haven’t historically been put on pedestals? Weird stuff.



Poster: This is my experience, it was a widespread issue

Also CP: Just because it happened to you doesn’t mean it happened to EVERYBODY!

jfc?

He said to btimbit that it was hard to believe his story about his time in junior hockey. That is why I responded that way because it was crazy to question btimbits actual experience.

Nobody is minimizing anyone’s experience just pointing out that a. It wasn’t every junior player like one person said and B. Not at every team, that doesn’t minimize anything.

You are also misrepresenting what happened in your hypothetical.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Spurs

He said to btimbit that it was hard to believe his story about his time in junior hockey. That is why I responded that way because it was crazy to question btimbits actual experience.

Nobody is minimizing anyone’s experience just pointing out that a. It wasn’t every junior player like one person said and B. Not at every team, that doesn’t minimize anything.

You are also misrepresenting what happened in your hypothetical.

He just said it was hard to believe because his experience was so different, and you responded by saying just because it could have happened in Fort Mac (he said it did) that it doesn’t mean that every other junior team was the same (something he never said).

Just because someone says “that’s hard to believe because my experience was so different” doesn’t mean they’re questioning the validity of the other person’s actual experience. Relax Yikes.

[Monahammer]

Not all fraternity boys haze and are pigs about women.

Not all catholic priests diddle choir boys.

Not all Qanon supporters rip noise rails of invermectin.


These thoughts don't exist in vacuum though. And Hockey Boy is not a protected class of individual (LOL). The only way for that grouping to prevent being lumped together with these stories are for them to strive constantly against it. Frankly, they're not doing enough still.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Spurs

He said to btimbit that it was hard to believe his story about his time in junior hockey. That is why I responded that way because it was crazy to question btimbits actual experience.

Nobody is minimizing anyone’s experience just pointing out that a. It wasn’t every junior player like one person said and B. Not at every team, that doesn’t minimize anything.

You are also misrepresenting what happened in your hypothetical.

I also said, I don't know when he was in junior hockey, but in the late 90s early 2000's there were widespread issues. The culture may have been different before and after that time period. I had a lot of friends that played hockey, some on those junior teams. I don't have much good to say about that culture from the time.


That doesn't mean I didn't meet some really good people either, I'm still friends with some to this day, but I'm sure they'd even admit that a lot of the crap they pulled back then wouldn't fly today.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

I also said, I don't know when he was in junior hockey, but in the late 90s early 2000's there were widespread issues. The culture may have been different before and after that time period. I had a lot of friends that played hockey, some on those junior teams. I don't have much good to say about that culture from the time.


That doesn't mean I didn't meet some really good people either, I'm still friends with some to this day, but I'm sure they'd even admit that a lot of the crap they pulled back then wouldn't fly today.

I agree with you 100% that it was a widespread issue and that btimbit's experience was likely the exception more than the norm back then. Just don't think it was every team, every player that is all.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

He just said it was hard to believe because his experience was so different, and you responded by saying just because it could have happened in Fort Mac (he said it did) that it doesn’t mean that every other junior team was the same (something he never said).

Just because someone says “that’s hard to believe because my experience was so different” doesn’t mean they’re questioning the validity of the other person’s actual experience. Relax Yikes.

LOL at the Yikes BS but you don't really care about the truth so why start there.

He said it was tough to believe btimbit's actual story because he had a different experience. Pointing out that not every team would be the same isn't minimizing anything.

keep trying to make something out of nothing if it floats your boat but you are reaching here big time.

[Monahammer]

Sidebar; I wonder if the proportion of priests that engaged in rape or sexual assault is higher or lower than the proportion of hockey teams that have experienced hazing or sexual assault? There must be a social psychologist out there willing to peel back this cover.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Spurs

LOL at the Yikes BS but you don't really care about the truth so why start there.

He said it was tough to believe btimbit's actual story because he had a different experience. Pointing out that not every team would be the same isn't minimizing anything.

keep trying to make something out of nothing if it floats your boat but you are reaching here big time.

Who is reaching? According to you we’re on the same page.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Sidebar; I wonder if the proportion of priests that engaged in rape or sexual assault is higher or lower than the proportion of hockey teams that have experienced hazing or sexual assault? There must be a social psychologist out there willing to peel back this cover.

At least the priests usually give the altar boys a coke and a bag of chips.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

At least the priests usually give the altar boys a coke and a bag of chips.

Worst euphemism ever.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Sidebar; I wonder if the proportion of priests that engaged in rape or sexual assault is higher or lower than the proportion of hockey teams that have experienced hazing or sexual assault? There must be a social psychologist out there willing to peel back this cover.

So now you want the psychologists to be creepy pervs?

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

At least the priests usually give the altar boys a coke and a bag of chips.

How do you know???

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Poe969

How do you know???

I was an altar boy in the Maritimes.

[fotze2]

I know a bunch of guys over the years who have played junior, NHL, college, everything. The stories from the US college guys are the most nuts.

Also know a kid who got in some trouble this past year. Apparently a girl just wanted to have sex with multiples and that's why there were no charges.

[bdubbs]

https://www.sportskeeda.com/ice-hock...-investigation

Sounds like Strickland knows the names of 5 players who may receive significant suspensions.