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Old 07-29-2023, 09:16 PM   #5601
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Because Wolf is waiver-exempt, he can transfer between Calgary and Calgary as many times as they want this season. I suspect the plan right now is for Markstrom to start about 45 games, Wolf 25, and Vladar about a dozen.

This allows Wolf to get another 25 or so in the AHL, rather than just sitting on the bench for half the season.


Of course, all it takes is for one goalie somewhere in the league to go down with a long-term injury and suddenly a trade partner for Vladar has opened up (or, depending on the goalie who gets hurt, possibly a trade partner for Markstrom).
I really doubt the “plan” is to play three goalies that much. If this team is intent on winning, they need to play their best goalie the majority of games and the next best plays the others. In your scenario Vladar seems to be third string. What is the point of planning to give him 12 games if both of the other guys are outplaying him?
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Old 07-29-2023, 09:27 PM   #5602
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I really doubt the “plan” is to play three goalies that much. If this team is intent on winning, they need to play their best goalie the majority of games and the next best plays the others. In your scenario Vladar seems to be third string. What is the point of planning to give him 12 games if both of the other guys are outplaying him?
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I'd give vladar away if the team took markstrom
Yeah but they are not going to go in the season with only Wolf
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I'd give vladar away if the team took markstrom
So, no NHL goalies.

Bold strategy, Cotton.
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Sandman is there any College or European free agents available that we should keep are eye on? Getting a little late in the summer but I'm really surprised or haven't paid attention enough to see CGY not looking into these types of players.
Sorry it took so long. Flames invited F Chad Hillebrand, D Aiden Dubinsky, and D John Prokop (all NCAA players) to development camp, but there was no Dubinsky.

As far as European Free Agents, the Caps signed D Hardy Haman Aktell, San Jose signed highly-touted 6'6"D Valtteri Pulli, and Ottawa signed LW Jiri Smejkal. All the other talked-about possible free agents have already signed contracts in Europe.

Here's a sample of where the top NCAA free agents have signed:

-LD Akito Hirose signed with Canucks.
-RD Jake Livingstone signed with Preds,
-RW Hunter McKown signed with CBJ.
-C Nick Poisson is attending VGK Dev Camp.
-LW Ryan McAllister signed with FLA.
-C Jaxon Nelson is returning to the Minnesota Gophers.
-RD Sam Malinski signed with Avs.
-RW Jason Pollin signed with Avs.
-D Henry Thrun signed with SJ.


Hobey Baker nominees RW Collin Graf, D Jacob Bengtsson, and RW Carter Wilkie have not been signed from what I can tell, but I would imagine it's because they've already committed to their NCAA teams for this upcoming season.
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Ideally, I’d want Markstrom for 45-50 games, Vladar for about 20-25, and Wolf with 10ish.

I agree with the failure to using a hot goaltender last year. It’s literally what got the Blues, along with a new coach, the two biggest factors that got them to their hot playoff run and eventually a cup run no one expected.
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Old 07-29-2023, 11:55 PM   #5607
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I really doubt the “plan” is to play three goalies that much. If this team is intent on winning, they need to play their best goalie the majority of games and the next best plays the others. In your scenario Vladar seems to be third string. What is the point of planning to give him 12 games if both of the other guys are outplaying him?
Agreed. It makes no sense to split games between three goalies. Especially when one of them routinely plays 60 games a season. Besides, constantly bouncing a player between leagues is a terrible way to develop that player.

Either Wolf shows he gives us the best chance to win and Conroy makes space, or Wolf plays in the AHL until a spot opens.
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Old 07-30-2023, 12:17 AM   #5608
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Kind of curious as to what people think... not based on anything but looking at Eastern Conference rosters, and seeing who could use a Lindholm.

Washington has had Kuznetsov on the block for a while. It sounds like a bit of an attitude problem, but familiarity can breed contempt. Two years left at $7.8. The Capitals do have the horses to make it work. The trade fixes their cap problem, and can offer Connor McMichael and Vincent Iorio in return. Lindholm becomes their built in Backstrom replacement.

Calgary gets a mercurial but talented center on a palatable contract, a mishandled centre prospect in McMicheal who looks to be topping out as a 3rd liner, but has the tools of a top sixer, and a very Rasmus Andersson-y RD prospect.

Not great, but comparing that to the Boston offers swirling around?
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Old 07-30-2023, 12:21 AM   #5609
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Kind of curious as to what people think... not based on anything but looking at Eastern Conference rosters, and seeing who could use a Lindholm.

Washington has had Kuznetsov on the block for a while. It sounds like a bit of an attitude problem, but familiarity can breed contempt. Two years left at $7.8. The Capitals do have the horses to make it work. The trade fixes their cap problem, and can offer Connor McMichael and Vincent Iorio in return. Lindholm becomes their built in Backstrom replacement.

Calgary gets a mercurial but talented center on a palatable contract, a mishandled centre prospect in McMicheal who looks to be topping out as a 3rd liner, but has the tools of a top sixer, and a very Rasmus Andersson-y RD prospect.

Not great, but comparing that to the Boston offers swirling around?
I like McMichael and Iorio, but I wouldn't want any part of Kuznetsov. His GAF meter is a roller coaster, and I think he's a locker-room cancer. Can we please get Tom Wilson?
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Besides, constantly bouncing a player between leagues is a terrible way to develop that player.
It's exactly what Nashville did with Saros, and he doesn't seem to have been hurt by the experience.

In 2016-17, Saros played 21 games in the NHL and 16 in the AHL. The following season, he played 26 in the NHL and 9 in the AHL. Between those two seasons, he was recalled from the AHL 10 times (not counting a deadline paper transaction). That was with the Predators' AHL affiliate 500 miles away in Milwaukee, not sharing the same building.
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It's exactly what Nashville did with Saros, and he doesn't seem to have been hurt by the experience.

In 2016-17, Saros played 21 games in the NHL and 16 in the AHL. The following season, he played 26 in the NHL and 9 in the AHL. Between those two seasons, he was recalled from the AHL 10 times (not counting a deadline paper transaction). That was with the Predators' AHL affiliate 500 miles away in Milwaukee, not sharing the same building.
Bouncing him between two teams is fine. Rotating three goalies in the NHL net seems unnecessary unless you have no choice.
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Old 07-30-2023, 07:22 AM   #5612
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Theoretically, what is the minimum value of the piece that would be needed to trade Markstrom? Would someone like rory Kerins be enough
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Old 07-30-2023, 07:44 AM   #5613
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The best thing for the Flames this season would be to have Markstrom bounce back to his 2021/22 form, Vladar improve his value and Wolf get 10-15 NHL starts and play well there while still dominating in the AHL.

It'd be so nice to be able to trade Vladar for a 1st next off season because he raised his value. Then plug Wolf into a full time back up role where he gets roughly 30-35 starts the next season.

(I don't see Marky going anywhere with a full NMC)
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Theoretically, what is the minimum value of the piece that would be needed to trade Markstrom? Would someone like rory Kerins be enough
Likely not.

Taylor Hall was given away and he is a pretty good player on a decent 2 year deal.

Marky has 3 years left on his deal and is owed $20M. He has a full NMC. He is coming off a terrible deal.

Assuming he would waive to a contender, which contender has the need and the cap space?

No one is taking that contract without serious draft capital attached. No one really can.
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Old 07-30-2023, 08:01 AM   #5615
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I don't think a contender is going to touch him. The team would be taking him as a cap dump rather than reclamation. So, a good amount more than that.
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Old 07-30-2023, 08:10 AM   #5616
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Not figuring out the goalie thing is a bit of a #### up this off-season. So dumb.
Are you suggesting they forgot?

Or did they have a price for an asset that hasn't been met as of yet?
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I can't see Markstrom bringing back much. The cap space is what you get. Vladar for a 1st seems like a pipe dream as well. Even ignoring the trades we've seen this off season, goalies in general usually bring back underwhelming returns. If and when Wolf is ready for a steady workload I think you're happy just getting rid of Markstrom and Vladar and not having to retain salary.
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Are you suggesting they forgot?

Or did they have a price for an asset that hasn't been met as of yet?
Or over valuing the asset,
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Old 07-30-2023, 08:56 AM   #5619
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Is Keiffer Bellows worth a show me contract? He seems to say all the right things. It could be a worthy gamble. Thoughts?
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Old 07-30-2023, 09:06 AM   #5620
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It is not a foregone conclusion that Wolf will light it up in the NHL. IIRC, he started slow in his first shot in the AHL. Either way, Vladar has value to the Flames as a backup and injury insurance. If Wolf really does set the world on fire, then it is a pretty easy decision to send Vladar down. The Flames might even prefer he gets picked up for nothing.
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