2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by dino7c

except the Flames won

and at the very least weren't outplayed at all

Recent interview

Kipper - yeah, it was in

[Tiger]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Scoring was lower back then and the had a goalie who had a 1.7 GAA. You only need 2 most nights to get the sun

They finished 6th yes but they were better than that by quite a bit once they got kipper

Regehr is those days when the game was more physical was a very good dman

They were the favourites sure but they were a contender

NHL preseason odds
They were third lowest.

[edslunch]

I missed the draft for our playoff hockey pool that year so was left to pick from leftover scraps. I chose all Flames players and won the whole thing

[Bingo]

Here was the hockey news that year ...

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Tiger

NHL preseason odds
They were third lowest.

I never thought they were a contender before kipper. After they were much better than a 6th seed.

Best team in league no but a contender

Lockout didn’t happen and crack down on interference changed the game. Team was still good but 04 team was built for that style hockey

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Are we really trying to say the 03-04 Flames were a contender when they claimed a playoff spot in what game 81?

Great coach.
Elite goalie.
Star forward.

And a lot of filler.

But lovable filler!

They had a lot of players playing above their roles and a lot of timely depth scoring. The reimagining the Flames as a favourite for the cup that year is a bit strange as I distinctly recall in different from most pundits across the league as their lack of offensive punch was evident.

And that is what made them a very likeable team for everyone to cheer for. It felt like a Disney movie with a rag tag group of castoffs that no one picked to win. Especially against Detroit (remember Detroit in three).

Since them and the Oilers I don't think that there has been a bigger underdog story in the NHL until this year with Florida... But even then, they won the presidents trophy last year.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Hartley good for team growth lol.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Here was the hockey news that year ...

Super interesting that the 2 western conference finalists were predicted 13th and 14th respectively. None of them, or us, ever have a real clue hahaha

[FlamesAddiction]

Interesting that Tampa was projected 6th in the East as well considering that they went through the regular season and first 3 rounds of the playoffs practically uncontested.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by HitterD

Super interesting that the 2 western conference finalists were predicted 13th and 14th respectively. None of them, or us, ever have a real clue hahaha

Goaltending can mask a lot of flaws.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Here was the hockey news that year ...

Before Kipper

Adding one of the best goalies of all time certainly changes things

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Before Kipper

Adding one of the best goalies of all time certainly changes things

It did ...

It made them a playoff team that defeated three straight division winners in upsets.

It didn't make them a contender.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

In the last 20 years, the Flames have played more home playoff dates than teams that have rebuilt once or multiple times, including Edmonton, Florida, Buffalo, Toronto, Los Angeles, Ottawa, and New Jersey.

Acting like playoff revenue must not be important because they won’t rebuild assumes that rebuilding automatically leads to more playoff revenue which, as we’ve seen more often than the opposite, it does not.

You can expect consistent playoff revenue and more than 1st round exists coming out of a rebuild all you want. That doesn’t make it reality.

The Leafs have made the playoffs 7 straight years now coming out of a rebuild, so if just making the playoffs is so important, then they're doing great by those metrics. Jersey looks poised to consistently make the playoffs and be a top team in the league for many years to come. Florida is 4 years straight in the playoffs. The Kings have 2 cups and since then they've made the playoffs just as many times as the Flames and look to be on the upswing again. The Oilers have 4 straight playoff appearance and will likely keep making playoffs until McDrai bolt. Ottawa made the playoffs 80% of the time before this current rebuild. And at the end of the day, other teams that have been poorly managed are likely in that position because of the people in charge. Unless of course you think that Flames management group is that incompetent.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

In the last 20 years, the Flames have played more home playoff dates than teams that have rebuilt once or multiple times, including Edmonton, Florida, Buffalo, Toronto, Los Angeles, Ottawa, and New Jersey.

Acting like playoff revenue must not be important because they won’t rebuild assumes that rebuilding automatically leads to more playoff revenue which, as we’ve seen more often than the opposite, it does not.

You can expect consistent playoff revenue and more than 1st round exists coming out of a rebuild all you want. That doesn’t make it reality.

The Flames have 42 home playoff games in that span.

Ottawa has 42 playoff games at home in that span.

Suspect once we add the next 3 season that by 2026 Ottawa will have more home playoff games.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Flames have 42 home playoff games in that span.

Ottawa has 42 playoff games at home in that span.

Suspect once we add the next 3 season that by 2026 Ottawa will have more home playoff games.

Certainly possible. Ottawa may not even be the best team in their division not in the playoffs. They may struggle to make the playoffs next season or thereafter.

I think some posters here are sleeping on the Flames. This same roster is in the playoffs next year, in my opinion. Of course that changes if Lindholm isn’t back.


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[saillias]

IIRC the 04 team's points percentage with Kipper in the lineup was 2nd in the league to Detroit. With him being a November acquisition and then having another mid-season injury, they played a lot of games with Turek and Mclennan.

So yes technically a 6th seed, sneaking in on game 81, but it lacks context/undersells how good they were because Kipper was healthy for the playoffs.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Bingo

It did ...

It made them a playoff team that defeated three straight division winners in upsets.

It didn't make them a contender.

This discussion redminds me of this old thread I made asking what the weakest cup finals roster ever was. I made the thread after looking at the 04 roster and thinking it didn't look great on paper

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=128167

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Hackey

The Leafs have made the playoffs 7 straight years now.

They missed in 2020.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Hackey

The Leafs have made the playoffs 7 straight years now coming out of a rebuild, so if just making the playoffs is so important, then they're doing great by those metrics. Jersey looks poised to consistently make the playoffs and be a top team in the league for many years to come. Florida is 4 years straight in the playoffs. The Kings have 2 cups and since then they've made the playoffs just as many times as the Flames and look to be on the upswing again. The Oilers have 4 straight playoff appearance and will likely keep making playoffs until McDrai bolt. Ottawa made the playoffs 80% of the time before this current rebuild. And at the end of the day, other teams that have been poorly managed are likely in that position because of the people in charge. Unless of course you think that Flames management group is that incompetent.

And yet the Flames have more playoff revenue. Cool.

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The Flames have 42 home playoff games in that span.

Ottawa has 42 playoff games at home in that span.

Suspect once we add the next 3 season that by 2026 Ottawa will have more home playoff games.

The Flames had 47.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And yet the Flames have more playoff revenue. Cool.



The Flames had 47.

No need to get moody. All I'm saying is if the Flames are currently making the playoffs at a roughly 50% clip, a rebuild that takes 5-6 years and gets you a team that makes the playoffs 5-6 years in a row puts you in the exact same spot. So the risk seems minimal. Especially when you can offset the lost revenue with reduced team spending during those rebuilding years. But if you build the team correctly during those 5-6 years and have a little luck, you should get a solid 5-10 years of steady playoffs and hopefully some deep runs in those years that actually bring in higher revenue. So financially, it seems worth the gamble. Unless of course you believe Craig Conroy is Peter Chiarelli 2.0. In which case, we're doomed no matter what.