2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[CalgaryFan1988]

What would have been nice with Necas, not to mention age, is that he's more cost controlled and versatile. We would have had Lindholm, Necas down the middle with the ability to move over to RW if needed. Be nice to know the specifics on the remainder of the package involved.

May have also been able to keep the 1st, as we wouldn't have needed to dump Monahan (no dire need for Kadri at C).

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Extra over what?

Over the norm. In the past 18 years before the Cinderella run they've lost in the 1st round or didn't make playoffs 15/18 years. Half those years no playoffs. 6/18 first round exits. Another one of those years they were in the bubble. So I question the argument that playoff revenue is so critical. If the team were to rebuild they could probably cut their cap spending significantly and it would more than make up for the few games of lost playoff revenue every couple years. And then coming out of the rebuild you'd expect consistent playoff revenue and hopefully more than 1st round exits. Not to mention their only real playoff success in the last 18 years came out of a mini rebuild.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Over the norm. In the past 18 years before the Cinderella run they've lost in the 1st round or didn't make playoffs 15/18 years. Half those years no playoffs. 6/18 first round exits. Another one of those years they were in the bubble. So I question the argument that playoff revenue is so critical. If the team were to rebuild they could probably cut their cap spending significantly and it would more than make up for the few games of lost playoff revenue every couple years. And then coming out of the rebuild you'd expect consistent playoff revenue and hopefully more than 1st round exits. Not to mention their only real playoff success in the last 18 years came out of a mini rebuild.

In the last 20 years, the Flames have played more home playoff dates than teams that have rebuilt once or multiple times, including Edmonton, Florida, Buffalo, Toronto, Los Angeles, Ottawa, and New Jersey.

Acting like playoff revenue must not be important because they won’t rebuild assumes that rebuilding automatically leads to more playoff revenue which, as we’ve seen more often than the opposite, it does not.

You can expect consistent playoff revenue and more than 1st round exists coming out of a rebuild all you want. That doesn’t make it reality.

[Pickle Juice]

Interesting read for who might be available from Buffalo in their prospect pool if a trade were to go down.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl...7cc301f4&ei=36

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That may have been the perception in Vancouver, but around these parts, there was not only an expectation of playoffs, but a great deal of optimism that they could do some damage.

I bought season's tickets that year (starting that year), and my rep GUARANTEED that they would make the playoffs. I thought that was optimistic at the time, but by Christmas, I was on board.

Come April, the buzz in the town was palpable. I - and everyone else I knew - went into the Vancouver series expecting to win.

Then guy selling you tickets guaranteed a win... That isn't some sort of prophecy that is a guy who is trying to make a sale. Don't get me wrong it was a great run and a great team to watch. Kiprusoff came back from an injury and was still the great player who he was before and his play especially in the Detroit series was incredible.

The Flames were an underdog the entire way though. They weren't universally picked to go far and while Iginla and Kiprusoff were great they were a team that hasn't made the playoffs in seven years.

Don't get me wrong it was a great team to watch but it always felt like they were a team that was flirting with destiny that wasn't supposed to be there but managed to win largely on the back of two of the best performances ever from Kiprusoff and Iginla.

I just can't believe it has been almost 20 years since that run when some days it feels like it has been closer to 20 months.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yeah the 04 Flames were good after Kipper...it was just so shocking because the Flames had been bad so long and choking before that when they were good.

They won the division the following season

The team that played in the 2006 season was significantly different than the 2003-04 team. Langkow, Amonte (all of him), Reinprecht, Phaneuf, Huselius, Hamrlik....

The entire team was different and almost overnight Calgary became a destination city with energy based on the performance of the team.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

Interesting read for who might be available from Buffalo in their prospect pool if a trade were to go down.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl...7cc301f4&ei=36

Ostlund would be a great return in a potential trade for Hanifin IMO. If an extension was worked out I would hope they could also get their 2024 first round pick.


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[D as in David]

My recollection of the 2004 run was that Calgary was the underdog in all of their playoff series.

[Bongsong]

Originally Posted by D as in David

My recollection of the 2004 run was that Calgary was the underdog in all of their playoff series.

Just like Florida last year and Montreal the year before. Get in and win you never know?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bongsong

Just like Florida last year and Montreal the year before. Get in and win you never know?

Yeah, just get in and you may be lucky enough to lose in the Stanley Cup final to a powerhouse!

[Tiger]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

There wasn't a ton of confidence going into the playoffs becaise of the lack of success and probably lack of knowledge on how good Kipper was, but they were not a 6 seed either. That team was a top team in the league

they were a a sixth seed, with no major names beside Iggy and kipper. They had no player over 50 points but Iggy, and if it wasn't for kipper they would be no where near the playoffs. So saying at the start of the season they were a playoff team was just wishful thinking.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by D as in David

My recollection of the 2004 run was that Calgary was the underdog in all of their playoff series.

100%. Calgary was up against every division winner and then the Eastern Conference winner in the final. Might have been the toughest playoff route possible.

Calgary winning in the first round against Vancouver wasn't considered a huge blowout though. Calgary was 3rd in the division, but only seven points and one win back of Vancouver. Calgary was coming in somewhat hot too.

I was living in Vancouver at the time and remember the mood vividly. The West Coast express was going, they had the Sedins and Trevor Linden in the mid-six. This was their year to start doing some damage. Gelinas had other ideas.

In the rest of the series, Calgary was viewed as a massive underdog.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by blankall

100%. Calgary was up against every division winner and then the Eastern Conference winner in the final. Might have been the toughest playoff route possible.

Calgary winning in the first round against Vancouver wasn't considered a huge blowout though. Calgary was 3rd in the division, but only seven points and one win back of Vancouver. Calgary was coming in somewhat hot too.

I was living in Vancouver at the time and remember the mood vividly. The West Coast express was going, they had the Sedins and Trevor Linden in the mid-six. This was their year to start doing some damage. Gelinas had other ideas.

In the rest of the series, Calgary was viewed as a massive underdog.

Bertuzzi was suspended and missed the 2004 playoffs

[blankall]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Bertuzzi was suspended and missed the 2004 playoffs

Correct. I'm getting old. That likely put the series into more of a 50/50 coin flip for favorites, which it actually worked out to anyways, with the last 2 games of the seven game series going to overtime.

[Tron_fdc]

That was the year Bertuzzi got tossed for jumping Moore, so going into the playoffs the WCE was missing one of its best playmakers. That boner move likely cost the Canucks their playoff success; I don't know if Calgary beats Vancouver if Bertuzzi is playing.

Edit: What monsieur moustache said

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Tiger

they were a a sixth seed, with no major names beside Iggy and kipper. They had no player over 50 points but Iggy, and if it wasn't for kipper they would be no where near the playoffs. So saying at the start of the season they were a playoff team was just wishful thinking.

Scoring was lower back then and the had a goalie who had a 1.7 GAA. You only need 2 most nights to get the sun

They finished 6th yes but they were better than that by quite a bit once they got kipper

Regehr is those days when the game was more physical was a very good dman

They were the favourites sure but they were a contender

[Tiger]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Scoring was lower back then and the had a goalie who had a 1.7 GAA. You only need 2 most nights to get the sun

They finished 6th yes but they were better than that by quite a bit once they got kipper

Regehr is those days when the game was more physical was a very good dman

They were the favourites sure but they were a contender

So the original post saying they were a playoff team from the start. They didn't have kipper and were a 0.500 team until that trade and had an amazing December if I remember, and were good but not a top team still after that.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, just get in and you may be lucky enough to lose in the Stanley Cup final to a powerhouse!

except the Flames won

and at the very least weren't outplayed at all

[Bingo]

Are we really trying to say the 03-04 Flames were a contender when they claimed a playoff spot in what game 81?

Great coach.
Elite goalie.
Star forward.

And a lot of filler.

But lovable filler!

[Tiger]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Are we really trying to say the 03-04 Flames were a contender when they claimed a playoff spot in what game 81?

Great coach.
Elite goalie.
Star forward.

And a lot of filler.

But lovable filler!

right about the lovable filler. and everything after beating Vancouver was just gravy.