[Trade] Flames trade Toffoli to NJ for RFA rights to Sharangovich and 80th OA

[Jiri Hrdina]

The risks of that are always:
- Injuries to the player (which could take the value down to 0)
- Another mediocre year from Lindholm
- Team is in the playoff race and doesn't trade them

But I don't disagree that there is probably more demand/market interest at the deadline, particularly with their cap hits being reasonable.

But boy there is some notable risk there for sure.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

He is miserable. But he isn’t wrong on the take. The trade was for a third rounder. Sure it was a deep draft, but we don’t need to do extra mental gymnastics to make it better. Value was and is fine.

Yeah you are right. My comment was not necessary. Apologies to Hackey.

[flambers]

Other risk is if they have 6 of the pending UFAs still on their roster at the deadline.

There is no way, they will be able to move all of them

Some will likely leave without anything in return.

Summer is so far playing out as worst case scenario, where the trades seem unlikely due to speculated low return.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by flambers

Other risk is if they have 6 of the pending UFAs still on their roster at the deadline.

There is no way, they will be able to move all of them

Some will likely leave without anything in return.

Summer is so far playing out as worst case scenario, where the trades seem unlikely due to speculated low return.

Well the Flames are not going to go into 24/25 with Weegar and Rasmus as their only signed NHL dmen so I suspect you can take one if not two players off that list. Leaves them with 4. If they move one this summer they have three to move at the deadline or during the season.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well the Flames are not going to go into 24/25 with Weegar and Rasmus as their only signed NHL dmen so I suspect you can take one if not two players off that list. Leaves them with 4. If they move one this summer they have three to move at the deadline or during the season.

Agreed, Flames will need to add, however that does not mean the existing pending UFAs will return

My guess

Hanifin is gone
Tanev is likely to leave to sign with a contender
Zadorov, would resign, not sure the Flames will sign him
Dman who is likely to return is Kylington

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by flambers

Other risk is if they have 6 of the pending UFAs still on their roster at the deadline.

There is no way, they will be able to move all of them

Some will likely leave without anything in return.

Summer is so far playing out as worst case scenario, where the trades seem unlikely due to speculated low return.

The Blues moved 5 UFAs this past trade deadline.
I expect Conroy will reduce the 6 down to 3 by training camp.
3 signed or traded; 3 others remaining on the roster until the TDL

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'm excited to see what this guy can do.

His stats being similar to Toffoli and him being much faster is big.

The team not only needed an injection of younger players but we needed speed and getting a guy with speed and size is huge.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hackey

If they got a 2nd they would probably be telling us they wanted to draft that guy in the 1st round. So ya it's still a late 3rd no matter how you spin it.

Must be fun to be you!

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Yeah, except we hear such statements every year. I believe Conroy was saying how he thought Jack Beck would've been a 2nd round pick if not for COVID. Jankowski was supposed to become a 1st line center etc.

The point is that the scouts, and management always get overly excited, and they always claim to get their guy, and a couple of gems along the way. I mean when was the last time we heard something along the lines of: "we really missed out on *insert name*"? We hear those stories 5-10 years after the draft, but never on draft day.

I don't think it makes a guy miserable to not buy into the mental gymnastics of we actually traded Toffoli for a 2nd instead of a 3rd. For me, the fact that fans need to try and spin the trade in a favorable manner shows it wasn't a very good trade for the organization. That said, I've moved on and hope both the players we got have success.

Yikes ...

Or he's a fan and sees a wrinkle that makes him feel better about the trade and posted it.

Why do people think we need to stamp out enthusiasm around here.

Its ok to like moves and have hope!

[dustygoon]

Interesting that on a 2018 redraft exercise, sharengovich pops up to a middle 1st round player that year. I guess it makes sense given his scoring to date but he’s ahead of some other interesting players on this list.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1684943879798157312

[ForeverFlameFan]

Really excited to give this guy a chance. Will have every opportunity to explode here like Lindholm did after moving from Carolina .

[robertsfanatic]

Toffoli averaged 20+ goals and 45 points from age 25 on prior to his career year at age 31...so maybe(?) it's possible Yegor could do something similar?

it's not so far fetched.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Really excited to give this guy a chance. Will have every opportunity to explode here like Lindholm did after moving from Carolina .

Agree.

But doing some mental gymnastics here….given what Nils Lundkvist went for last year (1st rounder iirc), then Conroy’s return for Foli isn’t too bad especially in a tough tape for trading. Kind of a 1st and 3rd type return. Roughly speaking.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Interesting that on a 2018 redraft exercise, sharengovich pops up to a middle 1st round player that year. I guess it makes sense given his scoring to date but he’s ahead of some other interesting players on this list.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1684943879798157312

Knew he was young but this gives some great context as to how young. If the flames had gotten Hayton for Toffoli I think everyone would've been ecstatic

[traptor]

Sharangovich was on overager so he is a couple years older then most of the players in that draft.

[Naitix]

I am quite excited for Sharangovich, this is the exact type of player you should be trading for in hopes of him exploding. From what I have read from Devils fans about him in the middle of last season and closer to the end, was that he was playing the same way as the year he got 24 goals and 22 assists, and that his demotion in ice time and power play time was not due to him regressing but rather to Devils having one of the most stacked offenses in the league.

In 2021-2022 he had 24 G and 22 A with 16:30 TOI/G and 1.13 PP TOI/G and 14% SH%. This went down to 13G and 17 A with 14:25 TOI/G and 0.05 PP TOI/G (!!!) and 10% SH% in 2022-2023. He had 0 power play points.

He started off the year with 14 points in 23 games on pace for 50 points (October and November) with ice time being around 15 min/game. His ice time would go from 15-16 down to 10-11 minutes every other game in subsequent months. In December he started getting in the dog house with only 3 points in 13 games, half of the games he would be below 11 minutes/game which is basically 4th line deployment.

One of the comments I saw from the Devils fan prior to the trade was that "we do not need anymore skilled and fast forwards" and that he needs top 6 minutes, he is not bad, it is just that Devils top 6 is too good. Sounds like he is exactly what the Flames need with us having plenty of space in the top 6 and in dire need of fast, skilled and big forwards.

He should easily get 15+ minutes with the Flames, with at least second unit powerplay minutes. I think he gets 50+ next year

[bigrangy]

Man that 2018 draft sucked in hindsight.

[Geeoff]

Hmm I definitely would have Tkachuk and Hughes over Svechnikov but maybe I'm just salty Svech pulled the Michigan on us

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Man that 2018 draft sucked in hindsight.

Good thing the Flames skipped it (pretty much)

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Knew he was young but this gives some great context as to how young. If the flames had gotten Hayton for Toffoli I think everyone would've been ecstatic

Originally Posted by traptor

Sharangovich was on overager so he is a couple years older then most of the players in that draft.

Just to add to the discussion here. Here's what Sharangovich had to say about his draft position, and road to the NHL:

(I'm slightly paraphrasing)
Q: A year or so ago hockey experts did a redraft for your draft year. As a result you were drafted in the middle of the first round. In reality you were passed over in your first 2 drafts, and then selected in the 3rd with the 141st pick. Were you upset about being passed over so much?

A: Well, I think that I wasn't quite getting the results on the ice in my first two years of draft eligibility. I changed my agent for my last year of draft eligibility, I switched to Dan Milstein.

Q: Who was your previous agent?
A: Serge Payer, but let's not get into that.

When I switched to Dan, I played in the hockey world championship(not junior), and had a year in the KHL under my belt as a 19 year old. After that year Dan told me that I would likely to get drafted between the 3rd and 5th round. That's when I started having expectations of getting drafted, unlike the previous years.

Q: I heard rumors that Dave Lewis had a large part in you coming here(to the NHL), because he was personally selling NHL clubs on your skills, and your potential, despite the lull in the drafting and development of Belarusian players. Is it true he was a key factor in you moving here?
A: To be honest, that's the first time I'm hearing that rumor. However he really helped me when he believed in me. He took me to the world championship in France, as an 18 year old, and trusted I could hold my own. It was very rare for an 18 year old to get such an opportunity. I played well for an 18 year old, and my career took off as a result.

Q: If we assume the rumor is true, did you believe you could be an NHL player at the time? Or did someone like Lewis tell you that you could make it to the NHL?
A: Lewis didn't, but playing in the NHL was a childhood dream, one you can't achieve if you don't believe in yourself. I remember when I was playing in Dinamo Minsk, and Jack Skille was there. He kept constantly telling me that I was an NHL player, that there's a 100% chance that I would end up there. He was telling me to keep working, and try to find a spot in the AHL next year, and so on.