Pentagon releases UFO videos

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

This is a great example of the ridiculous aerospace tech development curve we saw in the era right after the first crash retrieval program has been speculated (the first speculated being the fascist italy retrieval in the early 30s).

We went from the kitty hawk in 1903 to the Nighthawk in 1981. 78 years between never flying to flying hyper advanced stealth fighters.

Rail engines in the 1820s when 10-15 miles per hour. Before the end of the century the could go 112 mph. I think you can find many crazy advancements in the Industrial Revolution that rival the aerospace developments on the 20th century.

Lots of modern technology is about manufacturing advancements rather than technological ones.

Also the roots of the semi conductor and the diode go back into the early 1800s starting with faraday. You had passing electricity through solids to emit electrons as precursors to the LED in the early 1900s. More importantly you have the discovery of band gaps by 1931 which is a fundamental concept in the semi conductor prior to the 1933 Italian incident.


Ther just isn’t a need for aliens to explain our technology. It feels like fundies saying the eye could never have evolved.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Which is a huge assumption. You’re also assuming they would understand the distance between us to be the same as we understand the distance between us and apes, that they are interested in anything, that they care about physical environment, or (again) that they are even capable of understanding a thermo-nuclear weapon as a threat in the same terms we understand it as one.

Again, it’s a whole lot of “they’re like us but smarter,” which is a massive leap on about a hundred different fronts to begin with.

We think too often of aliens as “advanced” along a human-centric timeline. It’s probably more likely they exist on an entirely differently development timeline altogether rather than anything we would understand as “advanced,” so there’s also little reason to believe they would think of us as “primitive.”

Maybe there's 3 or more genders! And it requires a conjoining of all parties in an elaborate orgy to procreate.

So arrogant of us to assume that genders work the same for them. Never assume genders.

Maybe we need to study Avatar harder, including considering the real possibility of unobtanium. With trillions of possibilities out there, in one unobtanium could be a real, and treasured resource.

Maybe it's like men in black and our galaxy is contained within a marble that the colossal aliens use to play games or gamble with in the back alley after space octopus school.

Maybe, just maybe.. the stars f###

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

The integrated circuit and fiber optics both made astounding leaps forward in very short periods of time. Fiber optics have a very different development arch and went from an illumination technology to a data transmission technology in a very short period of time. Both innovations a result of contracts with the government.

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With regards to light be used to transmit data are you referring to Bell’s photo phone from the 1880s?

The physics of refraction were well known in the 1850s.

This was just a manufacturing problem.

The other challange is that if we did discover bodies and ships why are we so arrogant to believe we could learn anything from it? If I sent my iPhone back 1000 years it would offer zero value to the people using it.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Oh get over yourself already. There wouldn't be an interesting conversation without some realists around. You'd all be talking about unicorn aliens driving golden chariots between dimensions. Well, you wish you could come up with something that creative, anyway.

Haha, way to slip right into the clutches of stigma, and cast outdated hippie stereotypes onto anybody with an open mind.

You assume people can't have their heads in the clouds while their boots can still touch the ground.

Not everybody that wants to look further into this is suffering from schizophrenic delusions, sorry to report. As much as you want a group of people to look down upon and call stupid for contemplating possibilities.

There's actually a broader spectrum here than two sides of the fence where they're either cray-cray, or living in regular Joe land with you and Bob, where the newspaper taught you what to believe.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Haha, way to slip right into the clutches of stigma, and cast outdated hippie stereotypes onto anybody with an open mind.

You assume people can't have their heads in the clouds while their boots can still touch the ground.

Not everybody that wants to look further into this is suffering from schizophrenic delusions, sorry to report. As much as you want a group of people to look down upon and call stupid for contemplating possibilities.

There's actually a broader spectrum here than two sides of the fence where they're either cray-cray, or living in regular Joe land with you and Bob, where the newspaper taught you what to believe.

lol

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Purely stirring up chaos. I felt chaotic today.

I'm driving the wedge in this instance. I regret nothing, as it was fun.

Maybe we can scale back to our very grounded and civil discussion on aliens before I tear us apart.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by troutman

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0147905

Chemtrails. They forgot to include chemtrails.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Several planets in our solar system have electrical storms, many far more violent than on Earth. To imagine in all their exploring they wouldn't have run into them before, or that they would be vulnerable while also being capable of interstellar travel is a bit of a stretch, no?


https://eos.org/features/planetary-l...distant-worlds

Why would the existence of lightning elsewhere matter? It is the random nature of lightning that makes it dangerous, regardless of location. Unless you know exactly where lightning is going to strike it remains a danger, no? Would you not agree that the dangers of interstellar travel are different than the dangers of terrestrial flight and that each unique atmosphere would pose unique challenges to be consider?

[jammies]

So these aliens can cross Interstellar distance but are too dumb to stay away from thunderstorms?

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[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Why would the existence of lightning elsewhere matter? It is the random nature of lightning that makes it dangerous, regardless of location. Unless you know exactly where lightning is going to strike it remains a danger, no? Would you not agree that the dangers of interstellar travel are different than the dangers of terrestrial flight and that each unique atmosphere would pose unique challenges to be consider?

Us primitive Earthlings have figured out how not to fly through electrical storms, yet, what, these aliens do it more than once? My point is, this wouldn't be their first rodeo. They wouldn't be surprised or unprepared with how to deal with electrical storms and their craft. It's kind of preposterous you would even argue this point.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GGG

With regards to light be used to transmit data are you referring to Bell’s photo phone from the 1880s?

Bell's photo phone relied on reflection of analog wave forms. A very different approach from modern fiber optics. Fiber optics were considered more of an illumination technology than a data transmission technology. Bell was probably the first to try using the medium but it proved to be a failure and no one else used it that way for an other 70 years.

The other challange is that if we did discover bodies and ships why are we so arrogant to believe we could learn anything from it? If I sent my iPhone back 1000 years it would offer zero value to the people using it.

Yet we continue to take things apart we don't understand and learn from them. If man maintained the belief you just tossed out, we never would have learned about anatomy or internal medicine. We learned about the human body by taking it apart, even when it was verboten by both the church and state. It's what we do. We're curious and we need to know how things work.

If you did send that iPhone back 1000 years there certainly is something that people would learn from it. Much of it would be alien to them, but they would recognize certain components and the refinements in the product. It would drive innovation in trying to replicate such craftsmanship and improve the products of that timeframe. People would learn from it, but learn only that which their context would allow them to understand.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Us primitive Earthlings have figured out how not to fly through electrical storms, yet, what, these aliens do it more than once? My point is, this wouldn't be their first rodeo. They wouldn't be surprised or unprepared with how to deal with electrical storms and their craft. It's kind of preposterous you would even argue this point.

Actually, us earthlings fly through thunderstorms all the time and its one of the most dangerous things you can do in a plane. There are hundreds to thousands of crashes that have resulted from lightning strikes taking out engines or damaging the integrity of the plane itself. Commercial carriers have multiple engines so are not at such a high as risk, but they still go down as a result of lightning damage. And that's running on strictly mechanical means. If your craft were driven based on electromagnetism or magnetic drives, then a lightning strike could be catastrophic to the system.

And who says these alien vehicles can't fly through electrical storms? The only one saying that is you? You asked for a reason as to why these craft would crash and I pointed to a possible reason and consistent with events surrounding possible crashes. At no time did I say they couldn't fly through such storms, I just identified the dangers of lightning and a possible risk to electromatic drives. Since there have been sightings of UAPs in storms we can be pretty confident they can fly through any conditions.

And save your horse#### about what you think is preposterous. No one cares.

[Fuzz]

I can't even figure out what you are arguing anymore, time to move on to more interesting discussions.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I can't even figure out what you are arguing anymore, time to move on to more interesting discussions.

It’s entirely possible that they can handle interstellar travel but can’t handle atmospheric conditions like thunderstorms, but you also then have to admit that they are on a different development timeline than us instead of an “advanced” one, and that they could just as easily arrive here as idiots by happenstance rather than some fantasy sci-fi version of aliens that are these super advanced, intellectual species.

Interstellar travel is hard for us, but maybe it’s easy for them. And at the same time, maybe that’s literally the only impressive thing about their “intelligence” because of the way they developed, and they’re complete idiots in more other ways.

You never know.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Bell's photo phone relied on reflection of analog wave forms. A very different approach from modern fiber optics. Fiber optics were considered more of an illumination technology than a data transmission technology. Bell was probably the first to try using the medium but it proved to be a failure and no one else used it that way for an other 70 years.

Yet we continue to take things apart we don't understand and learn from them. If man maintained the belief you just tossed out, we never would have learned about anatomy or internal medicine. We learned about the human body by taking it apart, even when it was verboten by both the church and state. It's what we do. We're curious and we need to know how things work.

If you did send that iPhone back 1000 years there certainly is something that people would learn from it. Much of it would be alien to them, but they would recognize certain components and the refinements in the product. It would drive innovation in trying to replicate such craftsmanship and improve the products of that timeframe. People would learn from it, but learn only that which their context would allow them to understand.

What would the 1000 year old society learn from the iPhone that could be immediately applied in the next 5-10 years as you are suggesting with the diode and fiber.

Before we continue down the fiber optics path do you sincerely believe that fiber optics were a result of the application of technology learned from alien craft?

[Jiggy_12]

regarding the crashed vehicles, we just don't know enough at this point to be able to say why or how. I too believe that its a little hard to swallow that they've mastered interstellar travel yet struggle with our atmosphere.

A few possibilities I can see:

1. There have been some that have been knocked out of the sky during nuclear testing. would explain their supposed interest in nuclear facilities.
2. The craft are disposable drones
3. The craft were left intentionally
4. There are just so many, perhaps hundreds/thousands per day that there are bound to be mechanical failures even in the smallest % of events.
5. They are terrestrial and didnt travel intersteller to begin with
6. Sometimes conscious beings (if that's what we are dealing with) just make mistakes.

I am sure there are many more reasons we could imagine that would answer why vehicles might be left behind. its fascinating

[Ozy_Flame]

Some of you need to consider the possibility they didn't come from billions of miles away. There's an equally possible chance they've been here, right on earth, for a long time. Cryptoterrestrials, ultraterrestrials and temporal terrestrials are all equally valid until we know more about what the phenomenon is.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Some of you need to consider the possibility they didn't come from billions of miles away. There's an equally possible chance they've been here, right on earth, for a long time. Cryptoterrestrials, ultraterrestrials and temporal terrestrials are all equally valid until we know more about what the phenomenon is.

This solves the biggest problem with aliens. Them finding us and getting here without being detected in the universe.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Some of you need to consider the possibility they didn't come from billions of miles away. There's an equally possible chance they've been here, right on earth, for a long time. Cryptoterrestrials, ultraterrestrials and temporal terrestrials are all equally valid until we know more about what the phenomenon is.

I do not think you can say those things are "Equally Valid" more like a remote possibility that can not be totally discounted.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Knut

I do not think you can say those things are "Equally Valid" more like a remote possibility that can not be totally discounted.

In context to the discussion of aliens versus something that knows the location of earth and that earth has intelligent life. I’m taking the latter.