2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[prizefighterinferno]

I initially posed the query that Sec responded to but I didn't intend to link Hanifin and Toronto, as I haven't heard anything of that nature and many including Sec have highlighted why that doesn't seem to make a ton of sense.

More like, "any update on the Hanifin situation and/or those Toronto-Calgary rumours?" etc.

On that note, is Calgary only interested in moving Zadorov/Tanev to Toronto as part of a Nylander package or is there anyone else they could be (or that would be worth) coveting?

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I would bet heavily that the flames don’t trade with the leafs this season.

I don't think the Hanifin trade makes any sense since he wants to get out of Canada and isn't physical. Zadorov on the other hand makes a ton of sense and would be a very Treliving type of signing.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They need D badly

The Kardashians?!?!?!?!

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I'm a little confused as to who to follow on the leafs thing. You appear to suggest there have not been serious talks on hanifin and Nylander, while dissentowner suggests sources on both calgary and Torontos sides pointing to serious discussion and a possible trade coming.

Dissentowner information is good it would appear from the outside. I try to avoid duplicating information that is already out and I appreciate his information sharing as everyone else. So thank you diss!

I’ve herd suggestions that if a deal between Calgary and Toronto did happen that it wouldn’t include deals in place for either player.

The cap uncertainty is all the talk between agents and teams(I stated as much previously). You got stars or superstars on their respective teams needing extensions and players want to get paid… Lindholm in Calgary, Petterson in Vancouver, Matthews in Toronto ect.

Flames are currently the ugly ducklings of the NHL as all we’ve herd is players want out why why why wah wah. We have some rebranding to do and we can’t do that till the puck drops.

Leafs are straight up a cap nightmare and will most likely continue till we see the 10-12 million dollars added… but tre will end up spending that money, he always has….

Noah is a minute muncher and some pro scouts feels he hasn’t found that extra gear to be effective in the PO… there is minutes and hard minutes and those minutes become even more critical in the PO.

Nylander has all the tools in the box. When the heat gets turned up, he’s an impact player. The thing in Toronto is he isn’t the “guy” but he’s asking for that kind of money(I would too, Toronto is the Dallas Cowboys of the NHL). One pro scout I talk with regularly says he doesn’t believe he would produce as much getting opposition teams top shutdown units but I believe he is a PPG if inserted into Calgary’s roster.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think part of the Nylander issue is that he doesn't want to take less than the other big 3. I think that's a manifestation of his overall beef - that he's considered the 4th of the big 4. So i think he will grind Toronto for all their worth. And I don't think they'll get a deal done.

Whether or not he will grind another team in the same way - probably. But maybe not as hard?

even at 10M he makes less than all of them so I don't blame him...Nylander has shown up in the playoffs as much as anyone

Nylander will get 9M+ on his next contract IMO, with the Leafs or wherever else

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Poe969

The Kardashians?!?!?!?!

them too apparently

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I don't think the Hanifin trade makes any sense since he wants to get out of Canada and isn't physical. Zadorov on the other hand makes a ton of sense and would be a very Treliving type of signing.

Toronto is a little different being in the East and a stones throw from a ton of US teams

[Major Major]

I could see Tre having confidence he could sign Hanifin and Conroy having confidence he could sign Nylander. Would be interesting if they both took a leap of faith. Worst case scenario you still have a valuable asset.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Major Major

I could see Tre having confidence he could sign Hanifin and Conroy having confidence he could sign Nylander. Would be interesting if they both took a leap of faith. Worst case scenario you still have a valuable asset.

A valuable asset that perhaps you are walking to UFA?

I think Hanifin is about being in the US, Nylander about the money.

So, I guess Nylander has a better chance of staying.

[1qqaaz]

I think playoff teams should appreciate Hanifin's durability.
A lot of teams just shatter in teams of defensive depth. Hanifin is about as close a sure thing as it gets. He still has McDavid beat among 2015 draft picks for games played. So basically he's better than McDavid.

[CFO]

All teams could use a hanafin in their top 4.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by CFO

All teams could use a hanafin in their top 4.

Well I would hope he is one of the top 120 D in the game for what he gets paid and will get paid going forward. Top 4 D is getting pretty broad when talking about fit and skillsets.

Hanfin is a good puck mover who has never been able to lead a top PP as the go to guy. He's a good offensive D, but not elite offensively.

Hanafin is a very good defender against average to good players. He struggles against stars and superstars (as do most players).

He hasn't shown he can play on the top D pairing and shutdown the other teams top line. In fact the opposite , he has been badly exposed in the playoffs by other teams stars.

He does a lot of things well to very well, but nothing elite.

In an ideal world Hanafin is on the 2nd pairing and shielded by a 1st pairing that can shut down the other teams top lines. He can be the 2nd best overall D on a good/great team, but not necessarily playing on the first D pairing. (Or potentially he can be paired with an elite shutdown partner on the 1st pairing if you find great chemistry)

He just seems to be one step away from being "the guy" - Maybe he takes that next steps forward as some D do in their late 20's/early 30's. Or maybe he just is what he is - A very good overall D who isn't elite in any facet of their game.

I think other teams see this, and are reluctant to give up a hefty package and sign him to top pairing dollars when he hasn't shown he's capable of playing 25+ minutes and taking over a game like his future salary will expect of him.

[Toonage]

Was hoping to see a 3rd variant of Hanifin up there but alas

[ForeverFlameFan]

It's as simple as this: If you acquire Hanifin, you are acquiring a player that should NOT be in your top pairing, ideally. Perhaps he takes a big step if he is considered the "big dog". He's always been behind someone, from Slavin to Giordano to Weegar. Perhaps he doesn't take that big step. I view him as an Orlov comparable; more than capable of playing top pairing minutes, as long as he isn't the #1 guy (Carlson in WSH was the guy). Orlov did extremely well playing for the Caps pre-trade and then exploded even more in Boston because he was behind H. Lindholm.

With his age and cap hit, whether 0% or 50% retention, all 31 teams can use Hanifin's service(s). He could be a key cog for a rebuilding team who is in search of a stopgap top pairing guy until they get their franchise d-man to bump him down. Or, a contending team could use him to make a big push with him as a middle pairing defender who can also step in when injuries happen. Because we all know those happen.

I think that is why Conroy is being patient. Lots of dominos have still not fallen, and he doesn't HAVE to be the first.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

He could be a key cog for a rebuilding team who is in search of a stopgap top pairing guy until they get their franchise d-man to bump him down.

While this is a true statement, lots of rebuilding teams (like Chicago, as those building teams are essentially the only teams with available cap space) do not want to pay the draft capital required to obtain Hanifin, nor are they particularly enamoured with signing him to a long term extension when their timeline of contending is still awhile away.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

While this is a true statement, lots of rebuilding teams (like Chicago, as those building teams are essentially the only teams with available cap space) do not want to pay the draft capital required to obtain Hanifin, nor are they particularly enamoured with signing him to a long term extension when their timeline of contending is still awhile away.

Totally understand Chicago's stance. Maybe I needed to be more specific: Anaheim, Arizona, Buffalo, Detroit, etc. - Those that are trying to start to begin to get over the hump. Arizona as an example has a plethora of second round picks and a decent prospect pool, perhaps they'd like to acquire Hanifin to round out their top 4 of Valimaki/Moser/Durzi.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

While this is a true statement, lots of rebuilding teams (like Chicago, as those building teams are essentially the only teams with available cap space) do not want to pay the draft capital required to obtain Hanifin, nor are they particularly enamoured with signing him to a long term extension when their timeline of contending is still awhile away.

Edmonton is a cautionary tale of wasting prime years of generational talent. Once you nab one you probably need to get to work immediately on improving and shaping the roster to take advantage of the talent. I'm not saying they should start taking short cuts but Hanafin likely has 10 good years left and would easily fit their timeline and provide stability at the position as he's got a high floor.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Edmonton is a cautionary tale of wasting prime years of generational talent. Once you nab one you probably need to get to work immediately on improving and shaping the roster to take advantage of the talent. I'm not saying they should start taking short cuts but Hanafin likely has 10 good years left and would easily fit their timeline and provide stability at the position as he's got a high floor.

The mistake Edmonton made was holding onto both Draisaitl and McDavid. If you believe McDavid is in it for the long haul in Edmonton and you are the Oilers you should have moved Draisaitl for a monster return to address all the other areas of weakness needed to make a championship team.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The mistake Edmonton made was holding onto both Draisaitl and McDavid. If you believe McDavid is in it for the long haul in Edmonton and you are the Oilers you should have moved Draisaitl for a monster return to address all the other areas of weakness needed to make a championship team.

Draisaitl is signed to maybe the deal in the NHL. Why the heck would they trade him? Their failure was to build a team around the two.

[saillias]

Hanifin to TO seems to be a red herring to me. Everything I've read plus looking at the cap situation and rosters of both teams - Hanifin is not a good fit for Toronto. Friedman has said Toronto is looking for snarl and Dissentower has said they are not interested in Hanifin, and more interested in Tanev or Zadorov. If you look at their D core it's a lot of guys who are kind of like Hanifin. Plus, why are we talking about Hanifin to Toronto when the report is he wants to play in the USA. Because it's the Canadian version of a US city? Just seems like trying to force something that doesn't make sense