2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Sandman

How bout Mittlestadt to start....

How about that future considerations guy even?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Boring offseason for all the hoopla at the start.

Can't believe we're letting Elias Lindholm string along an entire franchise, especially after making those claims pre-draft that guys either sign this offseason or expect a trade.

Not only do we not back that up but now we are vacuuming up breadcrumbs and giving guys the same treatment as gaudreau, relying solely on good faith.

Don't have to just make a trade for the sake of it, but I wouldn't mind something like the Rangers did when they publicly announced their rebuild.

I think the Flames kind of got screwed even if they do want to trade Lindholm and Hanifin. There were no trades on the first day of the draft and then a whole bunch of players got bought out or were traded with heavy retention for nothing.

They might be letting themselves get strung along like you think or there weren't any deals worth considering to give them pause on waiting for an answer from Lindholm.

The Toffoli trade was the second best trade for the selling team in the lead up to the draft and I still think it was kind of weak.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It happens in the NBA a lot because I think trades can't be announced until afterwards so teams pick the guy for the ream they are trading the pick too.

Would be cool to see in the NHL get some activity happening along with the removal of NTC and term limits.

they also have a rule that you can't trade your 1st round pick two years in a row, so it's a workaround to make the pick yourself and trade the player after instead of trading the pick beforehand.

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I know he’s a bs artist, but just for speculation sake, Eklund says Buffalo and Calgary are discussing Markstrom.

It cost us a first rounder to get Monahan off the books, and he was only owed six million dollars for one season.

Markstrom was the worst goalie in the league last season and is owed six million a year for the next two years. We'd have to be willing to retain half his salary and throw someone like Coronato in to get anyone to take Markstrom's contract off our hands. It just won't happen. We'll need lots of pick to jettison Kadri and Huberdeau's contracts as well.

It is tough to be a fan of this team. We're just digging ourselves in deeper and deeper. Poor Conroy is in a no win situation, he's a great guy but nobody wants to play here. The only way out is if the NHL can tweak the rules to make five year contracts the max or something.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by devo22

also, there's no way Pittsburgh trades Yager immediately after drafting him. I know this happens in the NBA all the time, but I can't remember that happening in the NHL ever.

Additionally, I could see Dubas being less attached to this prospect than other GMs who just made their selection at the draft. He seemed to make a strong point in interviews at the draft that he put this pick in the hands of the scouts who were already part of the organization when he got there.

It would be a rough start to a President/GM’s relationship with his scouting staff if he decided over-ride their choice for a pick when he just got there. However, trading the selected player as part of a package for some NHL stars looks much better.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I think the Flames kind of got screwed even if they do want to trade Lindholm and Hanifin. There were no trades on the first day of the draft and then a whole bunch of players got bought out or were traded with heavy retention for nothing.

They might be letting themselves get strung along like you think or there weren't any deals worth considering to give them pause on waiting for an answer from Lindholm.

The Toffoli trade was the second best trade for the selling team in the lead up to the draft and I still think it was kind of weak.

You're not wrong. Any other time of the year toffoli should bring you back a 1st or the equivalent of one.

Picks are less likely to be moved at the draft when they're more of a known quantity. Teams wanted to use theirs.

Mid season when they're still mystery boxes, they're more likely to be flipped for help.

Maybe the TDL is the best way to go, unless a team really ups the ante over the summer.

Can't force a market where there isn't one I guess.

That should change once the season gets underway.

[Sandman]

We keep repeating the narrative that nobody wants to play here, and that's true for a certain percentage of the league, but the fact of the matter is- we manage to sign big free agents every year.

-Last off-season, we got Kadri (one of the top UFA's at the time) plus Huby and Weegs signed long-term.
-Blake Coleman is an American, from Texas of all places, and he signed on with us- for less than what he was rumoured to be getting in salary.
-Markstrom was a top-4 Vezina finalist, and he elected to sign here.
-Chris Tanev must have had his share of suitors, I was shocked we landed him.
-We didn't think much of Troy Brouwer, but he was one of the top free agents of his class, after a stellar playoff run with St.Louis.
-Many of us were excited when James Neal signed here.

I won't bother to list all the signings Tre made in his time here.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

I don't want to come across as confrontational or challenge your pov but I think the narrative (inconsistent) is similar to:

-Kylington makes too many blunders
-Tkachuk doesn't show up in the playoffs
-Bennett has poor hockey IQ

These things were matters of fact for people. Adamant.

I don't think at all true (and didn't at the time). They just needed patience and confidence from coaches.

Imagine if the Flames gave up on Backlund when his career started off rocky

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Sandman

We keep repeating the narrative that nobody wants to play here, and that's true for a certain percentage of the league, but the fact of the matter is- we manage to sign big free agents every year.

-Last off-season, we got Kadri (one of the top UFA's at the time) plus Huby and Weegs signed long-term.
-Blake Coleman is an American, from Texas of all places, and he signed on with us- for less than what he was rumoured to be getting in salary.
-Markstrom was a top-4 Vezina finalist, and he elected to sign here.
-Chris Tanev must have had his share of suitors, I was shocked we landed him.
-We didn't think much of Troy Brouwer, but he was one of the top free agents of his class, after a stellar playoff run with St.Louis.
-Many of us were excited when James Neal signed here.

I won't bother to list all the signings Tre made in his time here.

We can get these guys. If we're paying top dollar.

We don't need to pretend we're some special desired market, cause we're not for 90% of players.although there will always be outliers for whatever personal reasons.

Most players aren't going to come here unless we're the highest bidder. That's okay though. We should probably adjust our organizational strategy accordingly and not be trying to fill positions from UFA signings.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Imagine if the Flames gave up on Backlund when his career started off rocky

Think of the cap space and an open spot for a younger player we’d have had.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Imagine if the Flames gave up on Backlund when his career started off rocky

This is exactly why you have to give your prospects a fair shake early on.

The treatment of Phillips still makes me smh. 2 games in a limited role with those nonsensical lines wasn't nearly enough to deem him unfit for NHL play.

[Hockey_Ninja]

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[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by traptor

We can get these guys. If we're paying top dollar.

We don't need to pretend we're some special desired market, cause we're not for 90% of players.although there will always be outliers for whatever personal reasons.

Most players aren't going to come here unless we're the highest bidder. That's okay though. We should probably adjust our organizational strategy accordingly and not be trying to fill positions from UFA signings.

That goes for the majority of the league though. That’s why, as you say, UFA is a terrible way to build a team. UFA signings are only market value or less for a handful of cities, and occasionally that opportunity will rotate through cup contenders for players who need a cup.

[Sandman]

We got some of those guys, namely Coleman and Markstrom, for less than what they were projected to get- although those projections come from the pundits and media, and not from GM's.

We were rumoured to be Hyman's second choice as well, before he went with the Coilers.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Sandman

We got some of those guys, namely Coleman and Markstrom, for less than what they were projected to get- although those projections come from the pundits and media, and not from GM's.

We were rumoured to be Hyman's second choice as well, before he went with the Coilers.

I don't know who was projecting Coleman at $5M+.

As I remember it, he was projected to get the Troy Brouwer deal, and the Flames only beat out Dallas by offering more money and more term.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Sandman

We were rumoured to be Hyman's second choice as well, before he went with the Coilers.

[Sandman]

We've talked a lot about trade rumours involving top-6 scorers, but cap-issues aside, Conny better address team toughness this offseason, or we're gonna get steamrolled. Some UFA options to consider:

LW Nick Ritchie: 6'3",236lbs, 27 years old, and capable of putting up 20 goals, and 30-40 points. He doesn't fight that often, but he's one of the toughest in the league, and plays a physical game. Not very fleet of foot though.

LW Max Comtois: He's 6'2", and pretty nasty to play against. He skates well, and has offense when given the chance. He would be great on a line with Backlund and Coleman.

LW/RW Austin Watson: 6'4", 205lbs, 31 years old. Skates well, plays physically, excellent defensive player, can kill penalties, and will drop the gloves. 19 points in 45 playoff games.

LW Brendan Lemieux: 6'1",215lbs, 27 years old. Good skater, mean and nasty as hell- he stirs the pot, and brings energy. He shoots well, but isn't much of a playmaker, though he has a modicum of offense. Sometimes crosses the line, and can take dumb penalties.

C Colin White: 6'1",200lbs, 26 years old. Not a fighter, but plays a hard-nosed game, and is a good two-way player with good IQ. Versatile, he can play all forward positions. 41 points with the Sens in 2018-19. Excellent skater, and defensive player, but he's American.

RHD Cal Foote: 6'5",224lbs, 24 years old. He's not really a fighter, but he's big and physical with a booming shot, and he's not without skill. He can play a shutdown role.

RW Brett Ritchie: 6'4",215lbs, 30 years old. I think he's ok in a 4th-line role.

[Poe969]

I like almost all of those options but would welcome any of them. I think it would be great to vet Comtois, Lemieux, Foote. They're all good imo

[Toonage]

Conroy promised spots for kids and guys like Ritchie have blocked that in the past. Fine with signing a young guy like Comtois but no more Ritchie's, at or around 30 on the 4L

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I like almost all of those options but would welcome any of them. I think it would be great to vet Comtois, Lemieux, Foote. They're all good imo

I love Comtois and Watson, but White would be a shrewd get. He's versatile, and can play up the lineup if need be.