2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bonded

https://www.nhltraderumor.com/willia...algary-flames/
Super duper legit site lol. I don’t hate the trade in it though if the Flames go the retool route

I like it. The salary retention for 1 year isn't a big deal, if it means getting the deal done. Although, it makes Toronto a legit contender, which is kind of gross.

I say lock down Lindholm too and build the roster up with prospects to keep the cap down.

This forward core looks not only fun but could actually succeed:

Hubderdeau-Lindholm-Nylander
Mangiapane-Kadri-Pelletier
Dube-Ruzicka-Coleman
Duehr-Sharangovich-Coronato/Zary/whoever else earns it

There's lots of room to move players up and down the lineup depending on who gels with who and who is playing well. Duehr, Ruzicka, and Sharangovich all look NHL ready, so it's realistically only two spots open for prospects.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not a lot of player movement.

Winnipeg in particular still sitting on their two UFAs in a year as well for example.

Not sure you can hammer one team (Calgary) after a draft without a single transaction in the first round.

I think that, when viewing Calgary's situation, some fans are struggling with the wide gap between what they wish the market was and what it actually is.

Guys with a lot of talent and a lot left to give are being walked to FA, traded for nothing, or traded with sweeteners.

People want to move top players for prospects and picks while every team that needs top players to stay contenders or push themselves into that conversation have already had to let talented guys go for nothing just to get cap compliant. Teams like Toronto have top guys to sign and zero space to do it without moving talented guys out.

Putting Calgary guys aside, for a minute, you have young and prime aged top players like Nylander, Debrincat, Hellebuyck, Konecny, Scheifele, and Pesce, while you have slightly older guys like Karlsson on the market and nobody has found a suitor yet.

Dubois, Toffoli, Provorov and Severson are the only guys making over $4M that have been moved without heavy retention or sweeteners in the last month or so, while Hall, Johansen, Bailey, and Hayes were all moved for nothing with either a sweetener or heavy retention for nothing in return. And the only reason Philly got a first is because LA gave them a $5M backup and retained $2M on Provorov's contract to Columbus.

Bailey, Wheeler, OEL, and Duchene all got bought out.

It's ugly right now.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Same but I don’t think they’ll go that route. They already had a pure futures deal on the table from the Penguins for Hanifin

Yea, I think they should have pulled the trigger on that one. But I understand why they didn’t.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think that, when viewing Calgary's situation, some fans are struggling with the wide gap between what they wish the market was and what it actually is.

Guys with a lot of talent and a lot left to give are being walked to FA, traded for nothing, or traded with sweeteners.

People want to move top players for prospects and picks while every team that needs top players to stay contenders or push themselves into that conversation have already had to let talented guys go for nothing just to get cap compliant. Teams like Toronto have top guys to sign and zero space to do it without moving talented guys out.

Putting Calgary guys aside, for a minute, you have young and prime aged top players like Nylander, Debrincat, Hellebuyck, Konecny, Scheifele, and Pesce, while you have slightly older guys like Karlsson on the market and nobody has found a suitor yet.

Dubois, Toffoli, Provorov and Severson are the only guys making over $4M that have been moved without heavy retention or sweeteners in the last month or so, while Hall, Johansen, Bailey, and Hayes were all moved for nothing with either a sweetener or heavy retention for nothing in return. And the only reason Philly got a first is because LA gave them a $5M backup and retained $2M on Provorov's contract to Columbus.

Bailey, Wheeler, OEL, and Duchene all got bought out.

It's ugly right now.

Exactly. A lot easier to say move all of our upcoming UFAs for great returns, than to actually do it right now. The cap has been flat for years and salary inflation has not. Very few competing teams have the ability to take on even $3-4 million in cap. Teams are also gripping their draft picks pretty tightly.

Trading Hanifin, Backlund, and Lindholm for a song clearly isn't the right move. The rebuild crowed would be equally pissed if the Flames walked away with a handful of 2nds and reclamation projects for those players.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Bonded

https://www.nhltraderumor.com/willia...algary-flames/
Super duper legit site lol. I don’t hate the trade in it though if the Flames go the retool route

All the rumors have said Hanifin wants to go back to the US. I don't think Toronto would count but it depends on what he agrees to, no-trade list etc.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by blankall

I like it. The salary retention for 1 year isn't a big deal, if it means getting the deal done. Although, it makes Toronto a legit contender, which is kind of gross.

I say lock down Lindholm too and build the roster up with prospects to keep the cap down.

This forward core looks not only fun but could actually succeed:

Hubderdeau-Lindholm-Nylander
Mangiapane-Kadri-Pelletier
Dube-Ruzicka-Coleman
Duehr-Sharangovich-Coronato/Zary/whoever else earns it

There's lots of room to move players up and down the lineup depending on who gels with who and who is playing well. Duehr, Ruzicka, and Sharangovich all look NHL ready, so it's realistically only two spots open for prospects.

My only comment about this is a big WHAT about Sharangovich? He's been in the league 3 seasons and has a 20g season under his belt. Not only is he ready for the NHL, he's already a very viable middle 6 verging on top 6 talent. In your lineup he's definitely in Pelletier's spot.

[Jiri Hrdina]

It's interesting that the Flames only have 2 (?) dmen signed beyond next year: Andersson and Weegar.

Kylington, Big Z, Tanev, Hanifin all pending UFAs.
Maybe 1 or 2 of those come back. I would put the over/under at 1.5.

i wonder what the plan is there?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

All the rumors have said Hanifin wants to go back to the US. I don't think Toronto would count but it depends on what he agrees to, no-trade list etc.

Yeah, but Nylander also won't sign in Toronto and Hanifin won't sign here. So a pretty equal swap that way.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It's interesting that the Flames only have 2 (?) dmen signed beyond next year: Andersson and Weegar.

Kylington, Big Z, Tanev, Hanifin all pending UFAs.
Maybe 1 or 2 of those come back. I would put the over/under at 1.5.

i wonder what the plan is there?

I can see Kylington back. Hanifin and Tanev will be gone for sure imo.

Z is the only question mark.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

It's interesting that the Flames only have 2 (?) dmen signed beyond next year: Andersson and Weegar.

Kylington, Big Z, Tanev, Hanifin all pending UFAs.
Maybe 1 or 2 of those come back. I would put the over/under at 1.5.

i wonder what the plan is there?

Yeah, if the Flames don't re-tool they have a great contract structure to rebuild.

[Jiri Hrdina]

We also don't know the whys behind Hanifin wanting to be in the United States. If it is about being closer to his family, then Toronto delivers on that.

[Samonadreau]

Hell no to a $10M Nylander. The guy is a 75pt winger, over ppg once ever. $7.5M tops.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Same rumour out of Toronto:

https://editorinleaf.com/2023/07/07/...mour-nylander/

They're using the other story as their source.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I can see Kylington back. Hanifin and Tanev will be gone for sure imo.

Z is the only question mark.

Based off conversations, I believe Nikita would be interested in signing a long term contract in Calgary I will maintain though if the opportunity to play in the state of Florida he would take that.

If Calgary was to attempt to sign Z, it would be a contract similar to what Tanev is currently on. 4.5x4/5.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

We also don't know the whys behind Hanifin wanting to be in the United States. If it is about being closer to his family, then Toronto delivers on that.

Given the choice (which he has) he and his wife want to raise their family closer to home and in the united states.

[Erick Estrada]

Hasn't Nylander's 10 team NTC kicked in? Highly likely the Flames are on that list.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

My only comment about this is a big WHAT about Sharangovich? He's been in the league 3 seasons and has a 20g season under his belt. Not only is he ready for the NHL, he's already a very viable middle 6 verging on top 6 talent. In your lineup he's definitely in Pelletier's spot.

I had him in 4C, but quite honestly my bottom 6 and the Pelletier spot was meant to be pretty fluid. Whoever was playing best could take any of those spots. Even the top line could change, as Huberdeau has a history of playing with middle six players and turning them into 30+ goal scorers. You could see a guy like Sharangovich have chemistry with Huberdeau and end up playing as a 1A/1B centre even.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Hasn't Nylander's 10 team NTC kicked in? Highly likely the Flames are on that list.

He WAS born here...

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Dan403

He WAS born here...

Born is the imperative word. Not much beyond that lol

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Hell no to a $10M Nylander. The guy is a 75pt winger, over ppg once ever. $7.5M tops.

Nylander's salary demands, have me leaning more towards Konecny as the ideal acquisition. Plus Konecny's ties to Calgary, as his wife lives here and he spends the off season here. A 3 way deal with Toronto giving up futures and then Toronto moving Nylander in a separate deal to recoup futures (technically a 4 way deal?)

Obviously, this is all pretty speculative, and the Flames could get neither. I just had my morning coffee.