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Hackey · 07-07-2023, 07:17 AM

Because people realize he's not a legit number 1 on a contender and paying him like he is when he's approaching 30 isn't the right move. Not when you're a bubble team with half your cap tied up in underperforming retirement contracts already. The team is handcuffed enough already.

PepsiFree · 07-07-2023, 07:20 AM

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Because people realize he's not a legit number 1 on a contender and paying him like he is when he's approaching 30 isn't the right move. Not when you're a bubble team with half your cap tied up in underperforming retirement contracts already. The team is handcuffed enough already.

As already pointed out, his contract will likely make him paid near the middle or toward the bottom of top line centers in the league.

It’s not 2015. $8.5-$9M is not the kind of contract you think it is.

Hackey · 07-07-2023, 07:29 AM

He's not a top line center

Hackey · 07-07-2023, 07:30 AM

I'd give him what Kopitar just got.

PepsiFree · 07-07-2023, 07:34 AM

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He's not a top line center

By every single metric, he is.

Hackey · 07-07-2023, 07:40 AM

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By every single metric, he is.

Not if your goal is to win a Stanley Cup.

PepsiFree · 07-07-2023, 07:45 AM

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Not if your goal is to win a Stanley Cup.

Nobody is a Stanley Cup winner until they win one. You’ll just have to wait and see.

dissentowner · 07-07-2023, 07:45 AM

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Not if your goal is to win a Stanley Cup.

Then explain how Boston did it with Bergeron.

Saqe · 07-07-2023, 07:52 AM

Whether it is smart or not to pay Lindholm seems like a moot point, they will pay him or find someone else to throw the money at. To me the bigger question is does the guy want to be here given the issues they had last year in the room (and they were clearly not just about the coach since he is gone). Same goes for the other guys.

Moneyhands23 · 07-07-2023, 07:58 AM

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Then explain how Boston did it with Bergeron.

I like lindholm, but he is not on Bergerons level.

Textcritic · 07-07-2023, 08:30 AM

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Lindholm is not a top 10 Center in the league. But … the Flames will likely have to pay him as such in order to keep him...

Well, no. Top 10 centres in today's NHL cost over $10 m. Lindholm will be paid what he is worth, which is somewhere between $8–9 m.

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2ArmBands · 07-07-2023, 08:51 AM

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Well, no. Top 10 centres in today's NHL cost over $10 m. Lindholm will be paid what he is worth, which is somewhere between $8–9 m.

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Sure … but where? Starting to feel like it won’t be here. Why? Cause we have to pay a premium to keep him. He’s not going to sign in Calgary unless it’s overpayment.

Paulie Walnuts · 07-07-2023, 09:01 AM

Lindholm is a #1 C he might not be in the top 15 group of them but he is in the mix.

At this point the money and term don't even bother me anymore he will get paid and will get term.

The thing that is annoying is how he isn't giving the team any direction. Either sign or tell them you wont and move on. We are giving you generational wealth here, if you want to be here you would have signed by now.

Give him until next week and if he stays unsigned I pivot to looking to move him out maybe not right away but before camp.

Bonded · 07-07-2023, 09:03 AM

Lindholm is ROR to me. The Flames need a hot goalie and depth to get a cup win.

Winsor_Pilates · 07-07-2023, 09:04 AM

Lindholm is worth the reported contract he's going to get.
If we didn't have Kadri, I think way more people would be interested in re signing him.
He also plays the type of hockey that ages well and can contribute to any team. Even in a rebuild, he'd be an excellent #1C to shelter youth around.

I'm on the fence. Do you trade him because of the past mistake contracts you're stuck with or do you look at him for the value he is individually?
Maybe worry about the other bad contracts later when you need to dump them or buy them out.

Paulie Walnuts · 07-07-2023, 09:06 AM

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Lindholm is worth the reported contract he's going to get.
If we didn't have Kadri, I think way more people would be interested in re signing him.
He also plays the type of hockey that ages well and can contribute to any team. Even in a rebuild, he'd be an excellent #1C to shelter youth around.

I'm on the fence. Do you trade him because of the past mistake contracts you're stuck with or do you look at him for the value he is individually?
Maybe worry about the other bad contracts later when you need to dump them or buy them out.

The stated goal has been to win and I think any trade you make probably sets you back a bit unless its a hockey deal.

So signing him is the best option for what the organization wants, but if he isn't willing to sign well time to move on.

Hackey · 07-07-2023, 09:08 AM

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Then explain how Boston did it with Bergeron.

One guy has 6 Selke trophies and the other has 0.

dustygoon · 07-07-2023, 09:21 AM

When Conroy said he isn't going into next year with 6 UFA's to be, he was saying what we all felt after losing Gaudreau and Tkachuk. But it painted him in a corner. Fans get itchy and other GM's can use that kind of position against him. It makes it harder to be patient.

Perhaps now it's best to just keep these guys for the year and see what happens.

To see our situation objectively, take a look at Carolina's capfriendly page.
https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/hurricanes

Great team. They don't have many long term contracts and several are coming up next summer including Aho, Teuvo, Necas, Skjei, and Pesce. And they are in on a lot of trades for top players right now.

I would rather have a team with shorter contracts and flexibility with risk of losing players for nothing vs a bunch of aging and solid but not elite players locked long term. Flexibility means we have the ability to trade for a star in the future which inevitably come available (e.g. Thornton, Burns, etc).

Gaudreau and Tkachuk were elite stars. Losing them was unusual and hurt. Lindholm and Hanifin are great, but we already lost our elite players. We shouldn't be giving up so much to keep the next wrung down. No matter where we are in terms of rebuilding or going for playoffs.

The pressure is on the player too. They have to perform in a contract year.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 07-07-2023, 09:29 AM

Conny is in a tough spot with what's going on, living in the shadow of the Johnny mistake. Johnny was a legit opportunity (significant opportunity on asset management) lost.

With these two, to the point above, Conny has the right intentions, and I don't doubt he meant what he said about not walking players to UFA.

I believe if there was a good offer on the table for Lindholm at this point, Conny would have pulled the trigger. I'm sure one of his top outcomes is get Lindholm signed, but I also bet he had internal deadlines and quality of offer triggers he had in place should Lindholm not have made his mind up yet. One can argue if it's lackluster GMing that made the offers not hit the mark, or if it's the market / environment - but I think a lot of indicators point to this being a very soft market unfortunately.

So we move on, and hope the offers improve and new deadlines and trigger points emerge, there's still a long way to go. I actually believe Conny will get decent assets back for both Hanifin and Lindholm (or a signed Lindholm), but it appears the current market could dictate underwhelming return for Lindholm especially. Time will tell, but the circumstances really suck for Conny tbh.

I know there's lots of talk (probably legit) about conflicts that led to Tre leaving, but a big part of me wonders if Tre wasn't aware some fairly appealing GM jobs were going to open up, and really felt career wise it made more sense for him to jump ship now, vs. have the tough job of cleaning up the Flames current situation.

GreenLantern2814 · 07-07-2023, 09:32 AM

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As already pointed out, his contract will likely make him paid near the middle or toward the bottom of top line centers in the league.

It’s not 2015. $8.5-$9M is not the kind of contract you think it is.

The Canucks just decided not to make at their captain $8.5M while they have Quinn Hughes and Elias Petterson because Horvat isn’t that guy.

They’re going to be better off for it.

Lindholm likewise isn’t that guy, even if he’s better than Horvat.