[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I would take RNH at his contract over Lindholm at 9 million every day of the week. And I like Lindholm

Third line player, being propped up by Mcdrai.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Andersson contract is gonna be $8++

Better hope Kylington doesn't pick up where we left off or he's gone.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by musth

Lindholm and Hanafin to Toronto for Matthews

All with extensions

Even if Toronto would entertain this, Matthews won't.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Better hope Kylington doesn't pick up where we left off or he's gone.

Hanifin, Tanev and Zadorov coming off the books.

I’m sure they’ll have zero trouble fitting him in.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I would take RNH at his contract over Lindholm at 9 million every day of the week. And I like Lindholm

Negative, Ghost Rider. The player is no good.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Hanifin, Tanev and Zadorov coming off the books.

I’m sure they’ll have zero trouble fitting him in.

Is Kylington taking up all their spots? Their replacements/next contracts will be more expensive now because the cap went up.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That's why you draft and develop you fill those spots internally and not go free agent shopping constantly. That's how you get in trouble

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

That's why you draft and develop you fill those spots internally and not go free agent shopping constantly. That's how you get in trouble

Because signing older players to very long contracts is a bad idea right?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Redrum

But then he's THE GUY for the entirety of the contract, and there's no going back. If we develop somebody, we won't be able to keep him because we decided nobody else was coming along and comitted to Lindholm. We will have to trade our next star players away to keep Lindholm and friends. Whether we want to or not. For almost a decade.

Naw. $8-9 million is the going rate for a first line player now. In four years that'll be closer to what a second line player makes.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by blankall

That's not as true as it was. Pittsburgh is not drafting Malkin, Crosby, Fleury, and Staal anymore under the new draft rules. LA and Tampa both had their top picks become #1 d-man. It helps to draft high to acquire a #1 d-man, but the majority of actual #1 d-men were not drafted especially high.

It doesn’t matter.

Top-5 picks, drafted or otherwise, on cap-era champions:

Carolina: Eric Staal (2) Andrew Ladd (4 - playoff call up)
Anaheim: Chris Pronger (2 - Hartford) Scott Niedermayer (4 - NJD)
Detroit: Brad Stuart (3 - SJ)
Pittsburgh: Sidney Crosby (1) Marc Andre Fleury (1) Evgeni Malkin (2) Jordan Staal (2)
Chicago: Patrick Kane (1) Jonathan Toews (3) Andrew Ladd (4 - Carolina)
Boston: Tyler Seguin - even if you want to dispute this one, they only got Seguin in the first place because they traded Kessel to the Leafs, and he was a 5th overall pick in his own right.
LA: Drew Doughty (2)
Chicago: Patrick Kane (1) Jonathan Toews (3)
LA: Drew Doughty (2) Marian Gaborik (3 - Minnesota)
Chicago: Patrick Kane (1) Jonathan Toews (3)
Pittsburgh: Sidney Crosby (1) Marc Andre Fleury (1) Evgeni Malkin (2) Phil Kessel (5 - Boston)
Pittsburgh: Sidney Crosby (1) Marc Andre Fleury (1) Evgeni Malkin (2) Phil Kessel (5 - Boston)
Washington: Alexander Ovechkin (1) Niklas Backstrom (3)
St Louis: Alex Pietrangelo (4) Brayden Schenn (5 - Los Angeles)
Tampa Bay: Steven Stamkos (1) Victor Hedman (2) Mikhail Sergachev (9 - Montreal, traded for 3rd overall pick Jonathan Drouin)
Tampa Bay: Steven Stamkos (1) Victor Hedman (2)
Colorado: Nathan MacKinnon (1) Gabriel Landeskog (2) Cale Makar (4) Bowen Byram (4) Erik Johnson (1 - St Louis)
Vegas: Jack Eichel (2) Alex Pietrangelo (4 - St Louis)

The evidence seems pretty overwhelming - you need to hit on your top 5 picks, assemble your entire core pre-salary cap, or be the Bruins.

And if any one of you ####s replies “Jonathan Huberdeau was a 3rd overall pick” then you ain’t gettin’ sent a pizza roll.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Ryan Nugent Hopkins signs a 8 year deal for 5.125 million a year coming off of averaging 0.82 points per game in his previous 4 seasons

Elias Lindholm signs a 8 year deal for ?? coming off of averaging 0.85 points per game in his previous 4 seasons.

Have to wait and see what the number is.

One has Stockholm Syndrome, the other is just from Sweden.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Is Kylington taking up all their spots? Their replacements/next contracts will be more expensive now because the cap went up.

No, he’s taking up one of their spots, but I think we’ll manage filling spots 3-6 with a mix of cheaper vets and young players. That’s what you want, isn’t it? That’s the whole point of not wanting to sign Lindholm, because you want some cap flexibility to pay young stars? So if Kylington earns a far bigger contract, it seems to make sense to reduce the amount spent on our 4/5 defencemen and not bring back guys that are 28 and 33 years old, right?

Why would you even entertain bringing Hanifin, Tanev, or Zadorov back or trying to replace them through free agency with more expensive players around the same age? lol. That’s the exact opposite of what you’ve been pitching with Lindholm.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

It doesn’t matter.

Top-5 picks, drafted or otherwise, on cap-era champions:

Carolina: Eric Staal (2) Andrew Ladd (4 - playoff call up)
Anaheim: Chris Pronger (2 - Hartford) Scott Niedermayer (4 - NJD)
Detroit: Brad Stuart (3 - SJ)
Pittsburgh: Sidney Crosby (1) Marc Andre Fleury (1) Evgeni Malkin (2) Jordan Staal (2)
Chicago: Patrick Kane (1) Jonathan Toews (3) Andrew Ladd (4 - Carolina)
Boston: Tyler Seguin - even if you want to dispute this one, they only got Seguin in the first place because they traded Kessel to the Leafs, and he was a 5th overall pick in his own right.
LA: Drew Doughty (2)
Chicago: Patrick Kane (1) Jonathan Toews (3)
LA: Drew Doughty (2) Marian Gaborik (3 - Minnesota)
Chicago: Patrick Kane (1) Jonathan Toews (3)
Pittsburgh: Sidney Crosby (1) Marc Andre Fleury (1) Evgeni Malkin (2) Phil Kessel (5 - Boston)
Pittsburgh: Sidney Crosby (1) Marc Andre Fleury (1) Evgeni Malkin (2) Phil Kessel (5 - Boston)
Washington: Alexander Ovechkin (1) Niklas Backstrom (3)
St Louis: Alex Pietrangelo (4) Brayden Schenn (5 - Los Angeles)
Tampa Bay: Steven Stamkos (1) Victor Hedman (2) Mikhail Sergachev (9 - Montreal, traded for 3rd overall pick Jonathan Drouin)
Tampa Bay: Steven Stamkos (1) Victor Hedman (2)
Colorado: Nathan MacKinnon (1) Gabriel Landeskog (2) Cale Makar (4) Bowen Byram (4) Erik Johnson (1 - St Louis)
Vegas: Jack Eichel (2) Alex Pietrangelo (4 - St Louis)

The evidence seems pretty overwhelming - you need to hit on your top 5 picks, assemble your entire core pre-salary cap, or be the Bruins.

And if any one of you ####s replies “Jonathan Huberdeau was a 3rd overall pick” then you ain’t gettin’ sent a pizza roll.

It’s possible that this analysis is mistaking correlation for causation. It is likely that 95% of all teams in the league have one or two top five picks. Have you done the same analysis for the 17th or last ranked teams for each of those years to see how they compare?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

It doesn’t matter.

Top-5 picks, drafted or otherwise, on cap-era champions:

Carolina: Eric Staal (2) Andrew Ladd (4 - playoff call up)
Anaheim: Chris Pronger (2 - Hartford) Scott Niedermayer (4 - NJD)
Detroit: Brad Stuart (3 - SJ)
Pittsburgh: Sidney Crosby (1) Marc Andre Fleury (1) Evgeni Malkin (2) Jordan Staal (2)
Chicago: Patrick Kane (1) Jonathan Toews (3) Andrew Ladd (4 - Carolina)
Boston: Tyler Seguin - even if you want to dispute this one, they only got Seguin in the first place because they traded Kessel to the Leafs, and he was a 5th overall pick in his own right.
LA: Drew Doughty (2)
Chicago: Patrick Kane (1) Jonathan Toews (3)
LA: Drew Doughty (2) Marian Gaborik (3 - Minnesota)
Chicago: Patrick Kane (1) Jonathan Toews (3)
Pittsburgh: Sidney Crosby (1) Marc Andre Fleury (1) Evgeni Malkin (2) Phil Kessel (5 - Boston)
Pittsburgh: Sidney Crosby (1) Marc Andre Fleury (1) Evgeni Malkin (2) Phil Kessel (5 - Boston)
Washington: Alexander Ovechkin (1) Niklas Backstrom (3)
St Louis: Alex Pietrangelo (4) Brayden Schenn (5 - Los Angeles)
Tampa Bay: Steven Stamkos (1) Victor Hedman (2) Mikhail Sergachev (9 - Montreal, traded for 3rd overall pick Jonathan Drouin)
Tampa Bay: Steven Stamkos (1) Victor Hedman (2)
Colorado: Nathan MacKinnon (1) Gabriel Landeskog (2) Cale Makar (4) Bowen Byram (4) Erik Johnson (1 - St Louis)
Vegas: Jack Eichel (2) Alex Pietrangelo (4 - St Louis)

The evidence seems pretty overwhelming - you need to hit on your top 5 picks, assemble your entire core pre-salary cap, or be the Bruins.

And if any one of you ####s replies “Jonathan Huberdeau was a 3rd overall pick” then you ain’t gettin’ sent a pizza roll.

Jonathan Huberdeau is at least as relevant to that list as guys like Sergachev or Johnson are lol.

Vegas didn’t even hit on their picks, they just acquired those players well into their career.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

It’s possible that this analysis is mistaking correlation for causation. It is likely that 95% of all teams in the league have one or two top five picks. Have you done the same analysis for the 17th or last ranked teams for each of those years to see how they compare?

The correlation is stars/elite players win you championships. Usually, you find them at the top of the draft.

If you’re not willing to suffer a rebuild, when a player like Eichel comes available, pay what it costs to get him, even if it’s considered an overpayment. If it cost you Tkachuk, Mangiapane and two 1sts, pay it, because you’re not getting that player any other way. Then you might have been able to sell Gaudreau on Eichel, he and Lindholm + Andersson as a core.

It doesn’t mean they’re everything, but it’s very hard to win without top-5 picks performing at a high level.

Erik Johnson is relevant because he represents a time when the Blues bottomed out.

Same with Seguin/Kessel.

Everyone had a sustained low point, nobody got to avoid it.

Calgary actually had more success of the back of this last rebuild than they’d had in 30 years - two division titles, a regular season conference championship, made it out of the first round twice in the eight years Gaudreau was here. It isn’t the 04 run, but it’s collectively more in less time than they ever managed with Iggy and Kipper.

Edmonton is proof it isn’t everything, but that’s a bigger black mark on Edmonton as an organization than it is the idea that having the two best players in the world isn’t the best recipe for success.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

There are buyouts, trades, retirements, LTIR. Teams are manipulating the cap to ice Cup contending teams in the playoffs. Worst case scenario, f the Flames happen to get in real cap trouble down the road I think they'll figure a way out of it.

Besides, I'm pretty bullish on both Huberdeau and Kadri rebounding after least season's performance. I still don't consider their contracts albatrosses at the moment. Another season like last year and I will probably change my tune but I really don't think last year was what we're going to get out of those players from here on out.

And if Lindholm signs a huge contract he'll still be worth it for a few more years at the very least. He's a very good player.

[Saqe]

I can't believe people are talking about stuff in five years One year seems like a long grind, five is an eternity. I don't even want to think that far lol.

[dissentowner]

I think much like Backlund, Lindholm is still waiting to see what other moves are coming to convince him this team will be competitive going forward. I mean all he has seen so far is his top winger leave. I think other dominos may have to fall before he commits.

[Jiri Hrdina]

The problem is he is the domino

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think much like Backlund, Lindholm is still waiting to see what other moves are coming to convince him this team will be competitive going forward. I mean all he has seen so far is his top winger leave. I think other dominos may have to fall before he commits.

This seems almost the opposite of what Conroy is saying. But I guess that doesn't mean much. Like really the Hanifin trade could happen, but that seems about it.