[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by musth

Lindholm and Hanafin to Toronto for Matthews

All with extensions

i said this a while ago too, make it so!

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Redrum

The cap going up isn't relief. It just means every player from now on will be more expensive.

Originally Posted by Redrum

It's not about the Lindholm contract. It's about the several we already have like it. This WILL cause big issues down the road even without his albatross being added to the mess.

And his age.

Hell, I'd give him $9M in a heartbeat...if it was for 4 years.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Redrum

It's not about the Lindholm contract. It's about the several we already have like it. This WILL cause big issues down the road even without his albatross being added to the mess. Benn's contract ends after his 34 year old season, and he was over a PPG player that you should hang on to. Seguin leaves just one bad contract which ends in only 4 years. We have several of those, for worse players, taking them to late 30s instead of early to mid 30s.

Sure, and in 5-6 years when we need to sign these young stars we don’t have yet to big contracts, the cap will be higher and all these guys will be 2-3 years from being off the books, just like Seguin and Benn. Huberdeau was also over a PPG player when we signed him to a little over what Benn makes.

It’s not going to cause big issues.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Sure, and in 5-6 years when we need to sign these young stars we don’t have yet to big contracts, the cap will be higher and all these guys will be 2-3 years from being off the books, just like Seguin and Benn. Huberdeau was also over a PPG player when we signed him to a little over what Benn makes.

It’s not going to cause big issues.

Okay, 2-3 years until they come off. We will be at the cap since we still have to have to ice an entire roster of now more expensive players. We will be trying to make room for a player... then what? Spend a few 1sts to clear the way? Trade the young player away to make room for 38 year old Kadri?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Okay, 2-3 years until they come off. We will be at the cap since we still have to have to ice an entire roster of now more expensive players. We will be trying to make room for a player... then what? Spend a few 1sts to clear the way? Trade the young player away to make room for 38 year old Kadri?

What did Dallas do?

In what world, realistically speaking, do you think the Flames are going to trade away a young superstar because Kadri’s $7M contract, which is currently the 91st most expensive contract in the league and with a rising cap will continue to fall down the rankings?

Plus, if we’re signing someone when Kadri is 38, his contract is just about to expire, so it seems like we’re free and clear.

As I said, it’ll work out.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

What did Dallas do?

In what world, realistically speaking, do you think the Flames are going to trade away a young superstar because Kadri’s $7M contract, which is currently the 91st most expensive contract in the league and with a rising cap will continue to fall down the rankings?

Plus, if we’re signing someone when Kadri is 38, his contract is just about to expire, so it seems like we’re free and clear.

As I said, it’ll work out.

You keep mentioning Dallas, but they only have 2 players with big contracts over 30. Yet Flames will have 4 long-term contracts over 30, which might be the issue.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

What did Dallas do?

In what world, realistically speaking, do you think the Flames are going to trade away a young superstar because Kadri’s $7M contract, which is currently the 91st most expensive contract in the league and with a rising cap will continue to fall down the rankings?

Plus, if we’re signing someone when Kadri is 38, his contract is just about to expire, so it seems like we’re free and clear.

As I said, it’ll work out.

The possible scenario is one of the young players hits, let’s say Coronato. Gets 20 goals this year and then gets 30 in his final year of his ELC. Flames want to sign Rasmus that summer because he is one year from UFA and they do (because we like signing 30 year olds to longterm contracts). We cannot sign Coronato longterm because we do not have the cap space to give him the number he wants so we sign him to a 3 year deal with a high Qualifying offer at the end of it for his final year of RFA status. We trade him to Florida for some older players on Florida in the summer of 2028.

Smart teams give themselves the ability to sign young players to 8 year deals (or as long of a term as possible). Longer the term with good young players the higher the AAV.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Redrum

It's not about the Lindholm contract. It's about the several we already have like it.

This just just it. In a vacuum lindy 8.5x8 is manageable. Having huberdeau and kadri signed to big money changes everything. The bloated older forwards contract spots are already taken.

Also it would be one thing if huberdeau and lindy hit it off and showed obvious signs of chemistry. Or if chucky and gaudreau were still here instead. Then you know it's a somewhat functional product. After the tire fire of last season and lack of chemistry shown amongst these guys, doubling down and signing lindy is a hard pill to swallow.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

What did Dallas do?

In what world, realistically speaking, do you think the Flames are going to trade away a young superstar because Kadri’s $7M contract, which is currently the 91st most expensive contract in the league and with a rising cap will continue to fall down the rankings?

Plus, if we’re signing someone when Kadri is 38, his contract is just about to expire, so it seems like we’re free and clear.

As I said, it’ll work out.

Dallas was fine because they didn't sign another big contract like we're about to do. They were never in as bloated a situation as the Flames. Dallas is not a good comparable as explained. The only comparable is SJ, who also signed a better group than the Flames, but will still be screwed for a few years to come.

Kadri would still have another year left, so no we wouldn't be free and clear. We'd be trading a 1st away, or buying him out carrying his contract even for even longer. We had to pay a 1st for 1 year last time.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

You keep mentioning Dallas, but they only have 2 players with big contracts over 30. Yet Flames will have 4 long-term contracts over 30, which might be the issue.

We’ll have 2 in Huberdeau and Lindholm.

$6/7M contracts are hardly restrictive now, they’ll be irrelevant in 6 years.

[Nelson]

I don’t believe the thread title anymore. Lindholm is NOT interested in staying.

[Aarongavey]

Ryan Nugent Hopkins signs a 8 year deal for 5.125 million a year coming off of averaging 0.82 points per game in his previous 4 seasons

Elias Lindholm signs a 8 year deal for ?? coming off of averaging 0.85 points per game in his previous 4 seasons.

Have to wait and see what the number is.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

We’ll have 2 in Huberdeau and Lindholm.

$6/7M contracts are hardly restrictive now, they’ll be irrelevant in 6 years.

Yet we traded a first to get rid of Monahan's 6.35 million hit with only 1 year left.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The possible scenario is one of the young players hits, let’s say Coronato. Gets 20 goals this year and then gets 30 in his final year of his ELC. Flames want to sign Rasmus that summer because he is one year from UFA and they do (because we like signing 30 year olds to longterm contracts). We cannot sign Coronato longterm because we do not have the cap space to give him the number he wants so we sign him to a 3 year deal with a high Qualifying offer at the end of it for his final year of RFA status. We trade him to Florida for some older players on Florida in the summer of 2028.

Smart teams give themselves the ability to sign young players to 8 year deals (or as long of a term as possible). Longer the term with good young players the higher the AAV.

Andersson contract is gonna be $8++

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Dallas was fine because they didn't sign another big contract like we're about to do. They were never in as bloated a situation as the Flames. Dallas is not a good comparable as explained. The only comparable is SJ, who also signed a better group than the Flames, but will still be screwed for a few years to come.

Kadri would still have another year left, so no we wouldn't be free and clear. We'd be trading a 1st away, or buying him out carrying his contract even for even longer. We had to pay a 1st for 1 year last time.

We’ll trade him for nothing (like we’ve seen multiple times) or put him on LTIR, easy.

Or, most likely, keeping his $7M contract is not a big deal in the cap world 6 years from now. You’re convinced things are going to be an issue when all the signs point to us being much easier position to manage bigger contracts 6 years from now.

Truth is we don’t know, but handicapping your team (that isn’t rebuilding) today because you’re worried about a hypothetical worst case scenario in 6-8 years that has pretty much never happened (trading away a star player to fit the last year of a bet on an expiring contract) just seems absurd. We have to play the card we’re dealt and compete.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

Yet we traded a first to get rid of Monahan's 6.35 million hit with only 1 year left.

A year ago. We’ve all been paying attention to the cap direction.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

We’ll trade him for nothing (like we’ve seen multiple times) or put him on LTIR, easy.

Or, most likely, keeping his $7M contract is not a big deal in the cap world 6 years from now. You’re convinced things are going to be an issue when all the signs point to us being much easier position to manage bigger contracts 6 years from now.

Truth is we don’t know, but handicapping your team (that isn’t rebuilding) today because you’re worried about a hypothetical worst case scenario in 6-8 years that has pretty much never happened (trading away a star player to fit the last year of a bet on an expiring contract) just seems absurd. We have to play the card we’re dealt and compete.

It does not really matter, you sign old players and a rebuild is eventually forced upon you, just like in San Jose and like what will happen in Pittsburgh over the next couple years. Flames will get their rebuild, it will just take awhile. Be semi-competitive for the next 2-3 years and then rebuild when they get their new arena.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Ryan Nugent Hopkins signs a 8 year deal for 5.125 million a year coming off of averaging 0.82 points per game in his previous 4 seasons

Elias Lindholm signs a 8 year deal for ?? coming off of averaging 0.85 points per game in his previous 4 seasons.

Have to wait and see what the number is.

Common man.

RNH is soft winger who wasn't even that well thought of with a poor 5v5 game he was talked about as a 6.5 player maybe and the cap didn't have much hopes at the time.

Lindholm plays a premier position and would likely get 8 plus on the open market. Plus he's a selke runner up and can play 5v5.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Common man.

RNH is soft winger who wasn't even that well thought of with a poor 5v5 game he was talked about as a 6.5 player maybe and the cap didn't have much hopes at the time.

Lindholm plays a premier position and would likely get 8 plus on the open market. Plus he's a selke runner up and can play 5v5.

I guess

Even strength points - Nugent Hopkins 0.49 even strength points per game

lindholm - 0.58 even strength points per game

https://thewincolumn.ca/2023/05/13/s...lias-lindholm/

Here’s the caveat with Lindholm that I think could benefit the Flames. Despite having the reputation as an elite two-way centre, Lindholm’s defensive impact has always been just good, and certainly not elite. That may be hard to believe considering he finished as the runner up for the Selke last season, but that just further shows how much his reputation exceeds his actual impact.

Despite his reputation, Lindholm has been far from an elite player defensively. His xGA/60 and CA/60 are nowhere close to the level you’d come to expect from an elite two-way centre. Further to the above point, Dom Luszczyszyn at the Athletic had Lindholm’s defensive impact in the 56th percentile this season, which is barely above-average—far from an elite status. For reference, he had Mikael Backlund in the 95th percentile.

Evolving-Hockey has Lindholm’s EVD (even strength defence goals above replacement) at just 0.7 over the past three seasons. That number actually ranks sixth among current Flames forwards with at least 2,500 minutes over that span.

The elite defensive thing is a little over blown.

[Jason14h]

I would take RNH at his contract over Lindholm at 9 million every day of the week. And I like Lindholm