2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well their 2nd rounder was the best dman in the draft according to the director of central scouting so cheer up

The funny thing is I actually think Honzek is actually a swing for the fences pick. From what I can gather people are upset about him being big. Took a swing that his injury and production caused him to drop lwoer than he should have gone.



https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...al-in-round-1/

[SuperMatt18]

I thought most of the posts calling Sec214 a troll a couple pages back were meant to be jokes or making fun of the small handful of people that for some reason get all worked up about if a rumor is verified or not.

My post was meant to be a joke at least just due to the Joker gifs.

I've said it in this thread before but the people that are long term posters that are willing to come here and share details should be celebrated. Sec214 has posted here for 3 years, Dissentowner over 10 years, don't think they are just trolling. They have been active parts of this community for a long time.

And if rumors don't come true that is part of why it's a rumor, nobody is forcing you to believe it.

[dino7c]

The first 3 Flames picks were all ranked in the top 32 by at least one major source

Does it matter? Not really but interesting....seems like a good draft as we sit here today

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

And if rumors don't come true that is part of why it's a rumor, nobody is forcing you to believe it.

That’s the important part to remember. The one move that did actually happen was never even a twinkle of a rumour in someone’s eye. It came out of the blue and with zero hinting at it before hand by anyone. Enjoy the office gossip that gets shared here for what it is.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The funny thing is I actually think Honzek is actually a swing for the fences pick. From what I can gather people are upset about him being big. Took a swing that his injury and production caused him to drop lwoer than he should have gone.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...al-in-round-1/

Scorp and I were having a discussion about Simashev on this and think it's a similar situation.

Sometimes I think a player can be both a safe pick and a home run swing, and both Simashev and Honzek fit that bill.

Both are big, can skate well, and can play a strong defensive game. Which makes them a safe pick.

But at the same time those same attributes, plus their puck skills and flashes of offensive awareness and IQ make them have huge upside as well.

I'd say Honzek has already shown more of that offensive upside. 1.43 PPG as a rookie in the WHL, especially when guys his size tend to pop offensively a little later in their development curve is very impressive.

And Simashev didn't show any offense in the KHL but once he was in the MHL and got more ice time and a bigger role it took off a bit in the last 20 games or so of his season (including playoffs).

Both those guys are an intriguing mix of a safe pick, while also showing sky high upside.

[the-rasta-masta]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Is this post supposed to have a point?

Don't know why Sec quoted my post when it was a response to another poster who asked if Sec has ever been right about anything. I think my post was just stating facts. Yes, he's been right about a few things, and wrong about others. I thought my last sentence indicated that I felt the insight that he's posted likely meant he did have some inside contact. I wasn't calling him out at all.

And I understand the risks of sharing inside info perfectly well, and know that things can change in a moments notice. Feel free to check the time stamps on these. I won't take my ball and go home though if somebody questions my credibility on a message board.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...90#post8754990
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...53#post8713153

[colbym72]

Sec is GOAT

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by colbym72

Sec is GOAT

Hey now.

[ben voyonsdonc]

I’m wondering if Conny is stuck until the regular season to move Lindholm and Hanifin, if they don’t sign. It might be better to be patient and see how things develop through the rest of the offseason and, if need be, into the season. Closer to the season, I think teams will start to eventually look at their rosters and see holes that they couldn’t fill through free agency and the market might harden again.

We may have backed ourselves in a bit of a corner and lost a lot of leverage by saying that we didn’t want to take most of our key free agents into the season without extensions being done.

The restraint shown by the GMs this week was pretty surprising. Usually you see the value of roster players go up through the draft when teams recognize that they can’t address most of their immediate needs through the draft and use their picks as capital to fill those needs. This year it was the opposite - every team seemed convinced that their picks in the first three rounds are guaranteed hits. They didn’t want to give up the “lottery ticket” that could be worth a fortune to get roster players that they have to fit into the cap. Even Lindholm and Hanifin, with their team friendly deals couldn’t make teams budge.

GMs may have overvalued the draft this year which could bite the teams in the ass if they bust.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

How many games did you watch live? What did you see that you don't like?

Ignoring the bad faith argument that one has to be a pro scout to criticize a pick, what I don't like when I watch and read about the guy is that he doesn't use his size effectively. His puck protection along the boards is fine, but for a guy with his build he seems very meek and afraid of contact. We've seen these kinds of big, lanky gentle giants pass through the organization before (Jankowski/Colborne), and it was as true in their pro careers as it was when they were drafted. Those are just examples off the top of my head that I'm familiar with watching. That kind of thing generally doesn't change with age, it's just a personality thing that doesn't translate well to NHL success.

His skating is also very awkward and stilted, and doesn't really seem to have good vision for what other players are doing. Those things can be taught, but even if he improves on those he still doesn't seem like a guy with the mental tools and competitive drive to be more than a 3rd line tweener. I saw one analysis compare his upside to Lupul, and that's about as accurate as any I've seen.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The first 3 Flames picks were all ranked in the top 32 by at least one major source

Does it matter? Not really but interesting....seems like a good draft as we sit here today

I didn't realize that. Which source?

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Ignoring the bad faith argument that one has to be a pro scout to criticize a pick, what I don't like when I watch and read about the guy is that he doesn't use his size effectively. His puck protection along the boards is fine, but for a guy with his build he seems very meek and afraid of contact. We've seen these kinds of big, lanky gentle giants pass through the organization before (Jankowski/Colborne), and it was as true in their pro careers as it was when they were drafted. Those are just examples off the top of my head that I'm familiar with watching. That kind of thing generally doesn't change with age, it's just a personality thing that doesn't translate well to NHL success.

His skating is also very awkward and stilted, and doesn't really seem to have good vision for what other players are doing. Those things can be taught, but even if he improves on those he still doesn't seem like a guy with the mental tools and competitive drive to be more than a 3rd line tweener. I saw one analysis compare his upside to Lupul, and that's about as accurate as any I've seen.

I didn't mean the post to come off as a shot at you. I actually thought you saw him live a few times.

[Jiri Hrdina]

He didn't say you had to be a pro scout. He was getting a sense of your actual knowledge of the player. I think we all admit there's a lot we don't know, but when we don't know much one can choose to:
- Admit they don't know anything and hold back a view
- Admit they don't know anything but choose to be more optimistic
- Admit they don't know anything but choose to be more pessimistic

I choose the 2nd. It's more fun. I also consume a lot of content and information about prospects to try to half at least a half-ass informed view. Does that mean my view is more valid than others? Absolutely not.

But I'm amazed that for some the starting position consistently seems to be a negative one, when there is an absent of info.

As an aside, his compete level is considered to be one of his best attributes.

[liamenator]

Originally Posted by liamenator

CP QAnon

If this is one of the posts people are annoyed about, I can clarify that I was just poking a bit of fun at how every Sec post leads to most of CP trying to decode the granularity of every gif and enigmatic phrase.


Not trying to ruin anyone's fun. I enjoy the rumours as much as the next user.

[Flamesfan05]

Hahaha people take things too serious on here

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The funny thing is I actually think Honzek is actually a swing for the fences pick. From what I can gather people are upset about him being big. Took a swing that his injury and production caused him to drop lwoer than he should have gone.



https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...al-in-round-1/

I think he's more of a safe pick. With his size and ability to get around the ice he should make the NHL in some capacity. More of a high floor, lower ceiling guy. As someone said in another thread he looks just like Ruzicka.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think he's more of a safe pick. With his size and ability to get around the ice he should make the NHL in some capacity. More of a high floor, lower ceiling guy. As someone said in another thread he looks just like Ruzicka.

I think high floor and high ceiling from my 10 minutes of youtube scouting

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I think high floor and high ceiling from my 10 minutes of youtube scouting

You are hired!!!

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

You are hired!!!

[Ro]

Words to live by right here, especially on an internet forum for a pro sports team

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He didn't say you had to be a pro scout. He was getting a sense of your actual knowledge of the player. I think we all admit there's a lot we don't know, but when we don't know much one can choose to:
- Admit they don't know anything and hold back a view
- Admit they don't know anything but choose to be more optimistic
- Admit they don't know anything but choose to be more pessimistic

I choose the 2nd. It's more fun. I also consume a lot of content and information about prospects to try to half at least a half-ass informed view. Does that mean my view is more valid than others? Absolutely not.

But I'm amazed that for some the starting position consistently seems to be a negative one, when there is an absent of info.

As an aside, his compete level is considered to be one of his best attributes.