[News] With the 16th selection, the Flames select LW Samuel Honzek

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

Do people project him more as a C or Winger in the NHL?

He was ranked between 10th and 29th, so not even the scouts agree.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

AND just to be that guy - Jankowski is still puttering around the NHL edges and played 322 games. The next forwards taken after him the draft with Brandon Gaunce (153 games, 24 points) and Henrik Samuelssen (3 games, 0 points).

Obviously he didn't pan out as you'd hope, but looking back on that draft - there were a few defenseman who panned out picked after Jankowski, but all the good forwards who came out in that draft were picked before the Flames took Janko at 21.

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2012e.html

Until you remember that they traded down to get him & career AHLer Patrick Seiloff.

They could have selected Teravainen, Tom Wilson or Hertl.

[Erick Estrada]

Not going to lie, he's not in the group of players I wanted but the team and scouts know a lot more than I do and you just have to put your trust in them. Seems like he's got a high floor so less of a chance of busting and hopefully he can progress and show that he can be an elite talent rather than a middle six forward. It's nowhere near close to the biggest reach of the first round that's for sure but I can't help but think they could have maybe gone for a higher upside forward.

Scott Wheeler of the Athletic labeled the Flames Overtime Losers (his definition: Teams I believe could have done better but might, in time, be happy with their pick(s) regardless.) for the pick so not universally loved but that doesn't mean he end up being a bad pick. Just a pick the fans will have to be patient with as he's probably going to go through the same development time as Pelletier and Zary.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Until you remember that they traded down to get him & career AHLer Patrick Seiloff.


They could have selected Teravainen, Tom Wilson or Hertl.

Or Vasilevskiy.

Remember when one of those morons bragged that Sieloff would’ve been their pick at 21 if Janko was gone?

Lord have mercy.

[scotty2hotty]

The evolution of my emotions (from a guy that knows nothing about any prospect) ...

Trade announced: Hated it ... because CP said it was dumb

Hours post-draft: Liked it ... because CP showed me some stats in perspective

Next day: Love it ... because CP showed me even more stats and highlights

What does all this mean? Nothing

But I'm having fun.

[mile]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

Do people project him more as a C or Winger in the NHL?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1674250597283790850

Will be interesting to see where Vancouver plays him next season

[Cardi C]

This reminds me of when Detroit took Mo Seider; Honzek is a different box Calgary does not have in its pool and hasn’t had the time to showcase his talent yet. First year playing North American style of hockey and missed 23 games. Missing the world juniors didn’t give him that spotlight other prospects had. Just like the Yzerplan, got to give the Conplan time to unfold.

I also agree there were talented players passed on but in positions or had playing styles similar to other prospects in the pool we have. I see Honzek complementing players like Zary, Peltier, and Coronato; a big body willing to drive the net and has the skill to put the puck in the net or create room for these skilled forwards. We have the medium sized hard working playmakers and need a finisher who draws opponents to him. Plus he has decent wheels that will improve as he gets in the pro-level training programs. I’m buying into this kid and the Conplan!

[indes]

Pretty excited with this pick after doing some research on Honzek.

Maybe its rose coloured glasses but it seems to me like the sky is the limit for this kid. It's unlikely he makes it but it looks like he at least has the potential to be an impact winger in the NHL. He's a big guy with reportedly excellent skating who can make plays and put the puck in the net. When you look at the injury he had this year and missing the world juniors its easy to see where he might have lost some "draft capital" along the way.

Really excited and hope he can find another gear next year ripping up the WHL.

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1674250597283790850

Will be interesting to see where Vancouver plays him next season

Dang I was hoping he would be molded into a Center, big 6'4 Center's that can protect the puck are hard to find. Another indication that the Flames are gonna back the Brinks truck up for Lindholm?

Still love the pick and I think this guy shows huge potential, but this team already has a ton of capable wingers. I hope they're open to letting him develop as a C.

Huberdeau
Sharangovich
Mangiapane
Dube
Pelletier
Coronato
Coleman
Dueher
Honzek

[Canada 02]

Jason Bukala discusses Honzek

https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/big-sho...-honzeks-game/

[1qqaaz]

Comparing Carolina's 163rd late 6th round pick to Honzek:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1674471903682269184

https://twitter.com/user/status/1674222793628733440

Well, Honzek is larger.

[indes]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

Jason Bukala discusses Honzek

https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/big-sho...-honzeks-game/

Says he's not sure if he's a top line player but thinks he's a 2nd line forward that could become a primary scorer and can be used in all situations.

[dustygoon]

Looks like there was a decent chance if we didn't take Honzek at 16, Yzerman would have taken him at 17. Wonder if Conroy thought they were taking him at at Danielson's spot?

But sometimes, your ears do perk up when hearing about one. And that’s what happened Saturday, when, after forward prospect Samuel Honzek said Detroit was one of the 25 teams he met with, he also took it a step further: “Detroit was one of the — I would say the best meeting I’ve ever had here,” Honzek said.

At the end of the day, there’s only so much to be gleaned from a 20-minute conversation. But considering we know Detroit GM Steve Yzerman was spotted at Honzek’s playoff series, there’s some smoke starting to accumulate here.

The Red Wings have two picks, at Nos. 9 and 17, in the first round, and Honzek could theoretically be in play at either spot, as a 6-foot-4 forward who can play in all situations. If he had his druthers, Honzek says he would play wing, but told teams this week it’s up to them and that he has no problem playing center.

https://theathletic.com/4598204/2023...lex-debrincat/

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by indes

Says he's not sure if he's a top line player but thinks he's a 2nd line forward that could become a primary scorer and can be used in all situations.

Seems to be the consensus that he projects to a middle six forward. Hopefully he turns out better than 3rd line shutdown role.

The Flames have a solid north-south prospect in Honzek, with potential to be a complementary player within their top-six down the road or even in a third-line shutdown role.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/...teams-7-rounds

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Comparing Carolina's 163rd late 6th round pick to Honzek:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1674471903682269184

https://twitter.com/user/status/1674222793628733440

Well, Honzek is larger.

If Bader says it, it must be true. Silly Montreal for taking Mukhanov at #5 or Arizona blowing it twice before the Flames even picked.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I agree with posters that have said this seems like Craig Conroy’s pick in the senses that he knows a lot about him, he wanted him, and he is the one primarily responsible for the decision. I think we have to trust Conroy because he’s a great scout, and he knows a lot about this kid.

I think it's hard to tell how much it is (primarily) Conroy's selection as he tends to say "I" instead of "we" more than most leaders of a team tend to.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Seems to be the consensus that he projects to a middle six forward. Hopefully he turns out better than 3rd line shutdown role.



https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/...teams-7-rounds

What other sources have mentioned "middle six" for Honzek other than this single one? I havent seen any (other than this single write up) but have seen a plethora that call him top 6. Where is this "consensus" that you have mentioned more than once? You would have to have a considerable number of reports calling him middle six to use the word consensus, right?

[FanIn80]

Forgive me if this has been posted already. I'm trying to get some work done today (lol) so I haven't been able to keep up as much.

Top 3 projection from these guys. I've long suspected my brain of sneaking out at night and indulging in a rather nasty crack habit, but I think we've got ourselves a player here. Injuries suck, but I'm willing to bet he would've gone top 5 if he didn't get hurt.

He put up 13 points in his first 13 WHL games and then went on an eight-game tear where he put up 17 points. He was expected to be a big part of Slovakia’s team at the world juniors, but suffered a skate cut in his second game, which sidelined him for six weeks. But he returned in time to finish the last 12 games of the regular season and four more playoff games.

Honzek looks like a pro player with his ability to protect the puck, play well along the wall and produce offence.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...al-in-round-1/

https://twitter.com/user/status/1671177394122821632

[FanIn80]

Responding with a counter to my own post... I suppose there could be a bit of a "man amongst boys" thing working in his favour in the Dub. Not many of his size there to compete against, which will not be true in the show.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If Bader says it, it must be true. Silly Montreal for taking Mukhanov at #5 or Arizona blowing it twice before the Flames even picked.

I don't know anything about his model but the sample of players who would fit the criteria of size, production and draft status is likely too small to matter. And if you are just disregarding draft position and comparing all guys who x size and have x stats - your model likely has very low correlation to actual results.

I'd be shocked if draft position isn't much more correlated to future production compared to size and your stats.