[Trade] Flames trade Toffoli to NJ for RFA rights to Sharangovich and 80th OA

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Mccree

But isn't this the exact trade a rebuilding team wants? Younger player with upside and pick for an older vet looking to cash in. Seem like a trade the rebuild group wants. Yet here we are everyone is mad.

Rebuilding crew wants scorched earth, loading up on draft picks and then tanking for the basement in the next few years to draft top #3 multiple times.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Mccree

But isn't this the exact trade a rebuilding team wants? Younger player with upside and pick for an older vet looking to cash in. Seem like a trade the rebuild group wants. Yet here we are everyone is mad.

Do you not understand the concept of value?

Trade Lindholm for a 7th! Rebuild, amiright? No room to complain there! Gotcha.

[BrownDrake]

Saw a tweet saying Yegor had some family issues and a newborn to deal with last season, not sure if thats true or not.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

No line mock ups yet?

Assuming the UFAs get traded and Phillips Leaves.

Huberdeau - Kadri - Mangiapane
Pelletier - Dube - Coronato
Zary - Sharangovich - Coleman
Ruzicka - Rooney - Duehr

This would be a very bad team.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Do you not understand the concept of value?

Trade Lindholm for a 7th! Rebuild, amiright? No room to complain there! Gotcha.

Value is what someone is willing to pay

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Robbob

This is a calculated gamble on trying to get a player about to break through. Compare his first few years to a player like Mangipane and Sharangovich is there or even a bit ahead. Mangipane had his break out year in a contract season. Here is hoping Conroy can get Sharangovich signed to a friendly contract before he pops. As someone mentioned, he is already one of the more productive players from the 2018, there is something there.

Mangiapane is actually a great compaison, as they are both late round picks (who tend to make the NHL at a later age - if ever). Here is the trajectory for Mangiapane and Sharangovich, by age (G-A-P, games, P/82):

Mangiapane:
22) 8 - 5 - 13, 44, 24
23) 17 - 15 - 32, 68, 38.5
24) 18 - 14 - 32, 56, 46.9
25) 35 - 20 - 55, 82, 55
26) 17 - 26 - 43, 82, 43

Sharangovich:
22) 16 - 14 - 30, 54, 45.5
23) 24 - 22 - 46, 76, 49.6
24) 13 - 17 - 30, 75, 32.8

Career averages to date are 42.0 for Mangiapane and 42.4 for Sharangovich.

Sharangovich was the better player, through their first 3 years in the NHL (22 through 24). Mangiapane broke out at 25. Will Sharangovich? That is the question.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Value is what someone is willing to pay

Exactly.

And value for hockey players is based on supply and demand, which can change quite rapidly.

Today, the value of certain players has decreased quite a bit due to lack of viable cap space.

The value of a Taylor Hall changed to nothing simply based on few having available cap space.

[Ziggy Lidstrom]

Originally Posted by Muffins

Who said it was the Flames that leaked it? He does have an agent after all.

I didn’t say it was the flames. I said somewhere in the org it was leaked. Could be an agent. Could be a staffer. Could be a spy.

[Locke]

What is with some of these guys? Toffoli wanted 6 or 7 years?

He's not an idiot. He knows that the likelihood of him ever replicating his 73 point season is essentially nil which is why he wants to bank on it.

But he must realize that everyone else isnt an idiot either. I mean, other than Ken Holland.

Nobody is paying a 31-year old coming off a career year assuming he's going to keep it up for the next half-decade or so.

What world do these people live in?

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Mccree

But isn't this the exact trade a rebuilding team wants? Younger player with upside and pick for an older vet looking to cash in. Seem like a trade the rebuild group wants. Yet here we are everyone is mad.

I would say that he isn't really a young player and not sure there is much or any upside.

That is why I am disappointed, not mad.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Locke

What is with some of these guys? Toffoli wanted 6 or 7 years?

He's not an idiot. He knows that the likelihood of him ever replicating his 73 point season is essentially nil which is why he wants to bank on it.

But he must realize that everyone else isnt an idiot either. I mean, other than Ken Holland.

Nobody is paying a 31-year old coming off a career year assuming he's going to keep it up for the next half-decade or so.

What world do these people live in?

Looks at Nazim Kadri's 7x$7M contract signed when he was 31

[Locke]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Looks at Nazim Kadri's 7x$7M contract signed when he was 31

Sir...why dost thou proceed in angering me so?

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I doubt either centre is traded

Huberdeau - Lindholm - Sharangovich
Dube - Kadri - Coronato
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Pelletier - Ruzicka - Duehr

I think Sharangovich makes Dubé trade bait and slots in at 2LW.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Can we even project rosters at this point with all the uncertainty and trade talks?

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Locke

What is with some of these guys? Toffoli wanted 6 or 7 years?

He's not an idiot. He knows that the likelihood of him ever replicating his 73 point season is essentially nil which is why he wants to bank on it.

But he must realize that everyone else isnt an idiot either. I mean, other than Ken Holland.

Nobody is paying a 31-year old coming off a career year assuming he's going to keep it up for the next half-decade or so.

What world do these people live in?

Hey may be he won't extend with the Devils and become UFA next off season and signs with the Oilers, Kenny certainly will give him a 6x6.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Locke

What is with some of these guys? Toffoli wanted 6 or 7 years?

He's not an idiot. He knows that the likelihood of him ever replicating his 73 point season is essentially nil which is why he wants to bank on it.

But he must realize that everyone else isnt an idiot either. I mean, other than Ken Holland.

Nobody is paying a 31-year old coming off a career year assuming he's going to keep it up for the next half-decade or so.

What world do these people live in?

We just paid a 30 year old 84 million after a career year.

[Stampede2TheCup]

Originally Posted by Spurs

He isn’t even young he is 25. At least if he were young we could try to talk ourselves into pretending he had upside to improve.

Are you sure?


At 25, Carter Verhaeghe had 13 points in career 52 games.

At the same age, Jonathan Marchessault had one NHL point.

And for good measure, Pekka Rinne didn’t score his first NHL goal until he was 37 and everyone called him such a beast!!

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I think Sharangovich makes Dubé trade bait and slots in at 2LW.

I think Hanifan goes and Duclair slots in on the top line with Huberdeau. Sharangovich ends up on the third line.

[Stampede2TheCup]

Originally Posted by Hackey

We just paid a 30 year old 84 million after a career year.

So I guess that means Treonto might!

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Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Can we even project rosters at this point with all the uncertainty and trade talks?

What else do we have to do with our time?

Besides, starting to slot guys in highlights strengths/weaknesses and points toward more trade speculation (like above some thinking Dube's maybe trade bait now)