[News] With the 16th selection, the Flames select LW Samuel Honzek

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Well I can't answer for them and many of the same accusations made about that poster have been said about me, I had thought by you but I will admit I often confuse you and Dino so that may be the case.

I wasn't trying to make it about me but give you some perspective to the post that you made in reply to me.

I am not sure why there has to be positivity in his post history. If he hasn't seen things that are positive should he just make it up?

No, my question was if there is never any positivity in something why persue it? I was not saying a poster can't always be negative, I am asking if something is always a negative why would you want to be so involved with it? I am just trying to understand that mindset when it comes to something that is supposed to be enjoyable like a sports team.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Really? Knock on him was skating. By all reports has a good work ethic and doesn't shy away from the rough stuff.

Maybe the scouting on him wasn't entirely accurate and he's a gem that slipped under the radar a bit (aka could've gone much higher).

One can hope.

The fact that his production slowed after getting injured (don't see this accounted for in some reports) and he still was a top even strength points producer behind Bedard and a couple top picks gives me hope.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Username: Flames
Seems like a 3rd liner. Don't like this pick.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Honest question, do you just hate everything about this team? And if the answer is yes as your posting history suggests wtf are you doing here?

Looks like this is Username:Flames afterall

[ForeverFlameFan]

He wasn’t my favorite pick, but I’m warming up to it.

Welcome to the team, Honzek.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Being a bandwagon fan is more understandable than calling yourself a fan while expressing nothing but negativity and disliking everything about the team.

People can do whatever they want but I genuinely don’t understand the value of calling yourself a fan. It’s not a badge of honour or anything. It just means you like a sports team. If you don’t but still call yourself one… that’s weird.

Except nobody is disliking everything about the team, they dislike the current direction and make-up of the team.

I would agree if the team went down the rebuild path and they still were negative about it, that would be different but I haven't seen anyone do that.

I would say it isn't about value it is that for most people when they are fans they are fans during the good times and bad times. Part of being a fan is that you stick with the team when things aren't going your way. You still support the team when they do things you don't like, have players you don't like. As people say cheer for the name on the front not the name on the back.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

There are a lot of people in this thread hating on the pick because they hate on everything the team does. It didn't matter who we selected the reaction was going to be the same for these people. I truly don't understand how someone can supposedly cheer for a team and always hate every move they make. It is just weird.

Because some of us are sick of this mediocre team continuing to be mediocre in every possible way.

Never once has this franchise figured out a way to overcome their mediocrity. And when they almost did they let JG and tkachuk leave for bags of pucks to remain mediocre once again.

I appreciate that some people can remain continuously optimistic about every move this organization makes but I’m jaded and while I will always remain a fan, I won’t get my hopes up. Only team to have never drafted in top 3 (I think I heard that this week) and we just kinda suck.

But yeah, I’m happy for those of you who think Honzek is the next blue chip stud we need, and I’ll be happy if it turns out that way, but the odds are against him because of a) draft position and b) the organization who drafted him and I’m not about to congratulate the team on doing anything positive.

And some of us come here because the misery of being a fan of this team is nice, it’s like a good book or an old friend that’s always there for you. Can set your watch to the flames always finishing 8th-24th in standings 99% of the time and sucking in the playoffs or blowing the draft pick depending on what side of that scale they’re on

Just want to see them do something bold for ####ing one time

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

No it doesn’t.

There are 16 scouting agencies or publications in the OP - Honzek average rank is 19th - we got him three spots earlier.

Two outlets have him as a top-10 selection.

ONE GUY (Button) had Jankowski as a 1st round pick going into the draft.

What were the players above him ranked at, given he was 3 spots early and there would have had to be others who dropped below their rankings.

I also like to remember Hunter Smith, who was an oversized plug putting up completely unimpressive junior numbers. The biggest difference in their stat line is a paltry scoring difference for this putz we drafted and about 5" in height for Hunter Smith.

Thank God we didn't tank this year and have a chance at that bedard kid.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Because some of us are sick of this mediocre team continuing to be mediocre in every possible way.

Never once has this franchise figured out a way to overcome their mediocrity. And when they almost did they let JG and tkachuk leave for bags of pucks to remain mediocre once again.

I appreciate that some people can remain continuously optimistic about every move this organization makes but I’m jaded and while I will always remain a fan, I won’t get my hopes up. Only team to have never drafted in top 3 (I think I heard that this week) and we just kinda suck.

But yeah, I’m happy for those of you who think Honzek is the next blue chip stud we need, and I’ll be happy if it turns out that way, but the odds are against him because of a) draft position and b) the organization who drafted him and I’m not about to congratulate the team on doing anything positive.

And some of us come here because the misery of being a fan of this team is nice, it’s like a good book or an old friend that’s always there for you. Can set your watch to the flames always finishing 8th-24th in standings 99% of the time and sucking in the playoffs or blowing the draft pick depending on what side of that scale they’re on

Just want to see them do something bold for ####ing one time

I’m just curious after reading this big rant. Who do you think was the better pick in this spot?

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

There are a lot of people in this thread hating on the pick because they hate on everything the team does. It didn't matter who we selected the reaction was going to be the same for these people. I truly don't understand how someone can supposedly cheer for a team and always hate every move they make. It is just weird.

How do you know the only reason they hate the pick is because of negativity? Are we really suggesting that the only reason not to like the pick is to be negative? And how would you have the slightest idea of how they would react to a different pick?

[Knuckles Muldoon]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Maybe the scouting on him wasn't entirely accurate and he's a gem that slipped under the radar a bit (aka could've gone much higher).

One can hope.

The fact that his production slowed after getting injured (don't see this accounted for in some reports) and he still was a top even strength points producer behind Bedard and a couple top picks gives me hope.

For clarification, he's talking about Honzek's teammate in Vancouver, Jaden Lipinski.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

He wasn’t my favorite pick, but I’m warming up to it.

Welcome to the team, Honzek.

Who were you pulling for?

It will be interesting to see how our wish lists pan out in comparison to Honzek.

I hope Moore was as overrated as a couple posts suggested.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Knuckles Muldoon

For clarification, he's talking about Honzek's teammate in Vancouver, Jaden Lipinski.

Ah, thanks.

[Mephisto]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Because some of us are sick of this mediocre team continuing to be mediocre in every possible way.

Never once has this franchise figured out a way to overcome their mediocrity. And when they almost did they let JG and tkachuk leave for bags of pucks to remain mediocre once again.

I appreciate that some people can remain continuously optimistic about every move this organization makes but I’m jaded and while I will always remain a fan, I won’t get my hopes up. Only team to have never drafted in top 3 (I think I heard that this week) and we just kinda suck.

But yeah, I’m happy for those of you who think Honzek is the next blue chip stud we need, and I’ll be happy if it turns out that way, but the odds are against him because of a) draft position and b) the organization who drafted him and I’m not about to congratulate the team on doing anything positive.

And some of us come here because the misery of being a fan of this team is nice, it’s like a good book or an old friend that’s always there for you. Can set your watch to the flames always finishing 8th-24th in standings 99% of the time and sucking in the playoffs or blowing the draft pick depending on what side of that scale they’re on

Just want to see them do something bold for ####ing one time

You are sad. Keep nursing that bottle of whiskey bro - it will make you feel better.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I’m just curious after reading this big rant. Who do you think was the better pick in this spot?

Who cares. I truly don’t care who they picked at 16. The fact they tried to make playoffs last year when we knew they wouldn’t a) get there or b) make any noise had they got in meant they finished middle of the pack.

It’s not Honzek who’s the problem, it’s the fact that he or similar is all that was available that’s the issue.

Instead of selling at the deadline and being able to get into the top8 and get a better chance at a legit star

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I don’t hate this pick, I know nothing about this player. But I hate the flames, so I hate this pick. I also hate myself, which makes hating everything a lot more palatable.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by KipperFaNaTic

I remember the oilers fan base imploding over an oversized European being chosen in the draft over Bennett ….. look how that turned out.

Funny, you would say that. Watching Honzek's highlight video it struck me that he looks like he plays the game a lot like Draisatl, minus the nut spearing of course.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

Who cares. I truly don’t care who they picked at 16. The fact they tried to make playoffs last year when we knew they wouldn’t a) get there or b) make any noise had they got in meant they finished middle of the pack.

It’s not Honzek who’s the problem, it’s the fact that he or similar is all that was available that’s the issue.

Instead of selling at the deadline and being able to get into the top8 and get a better chance at a legit star

Ah, yeah man, I get the frustration but you got to cheer for another team if you expect a proactive rebuild lol.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Who were you pulling for?

It will be interesting to see how our wish lists pan out in comparison to Honzek.

I hope Moore was as overrated as a couple posts suggested.

I wanted ASP/Barlow/Musty/Moore since he was there. Was a bit mad when Detroit picked ASP.

[Username: Flames]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Looks like this is Username:Flames afterall

I'm actually not trolling this website. I've been a Flames fan my entire life. I'm sorry my posts have been negative. I didn't like the Toffoli trade, Honzek seems like a 3rd liner, and I'm frustrated that the Flames didn't trade Lindholm or Hanifin for a first round pick this year.

My posts have been negative on this site. I'm sorry if that's been triggering for people here.

I haven't posted here since 2016, but have been reading the website pretty much every day since like 2005.

I hate the Oilers more than I love the Flames. That's how much of a Flames fan I am.

I'm so glad the Oilers lost to Vegas. It was the most fun I've had since we beat the stars.

I am bummed that you're accusing me of being a troll, though.

I can't help but be pessimistic about the Flames. They have been a mediocre team for the past 20 years, and it's been frustrating. They had 2006, 2009, 2015, 2019 and 2022 as the only decent years to be a Flames fan.

I was actually excited about the team between 2013 and 2017. They were young, up and comers. This team now is not young, and I'm afraid that they'll be paying Kadri, Huberdeau and now Lindholm into their late 30s.


I'm not a troll. I'm just a pessimistic fan who is tired of ownership not supporting a rebuild.

Fata you.

[Username: Flames]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Honest question, do you just hate everything about this team? And if the answer is yes as your posting history suggests wtf are you doing here?

See my last post. Fata you, buddy. I don't hate everything about this team. I'm frustrated is all.