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Old 06-27-2023, 02:41 PM   #2081
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If they only make 1 trade that would be a miss IMO.
You don't make trades for the simple sake of doing so.

Conroy needs to hold firm on his asks for these players. These are not trades that need to be done by tomorrow as boring as that is to hear as a fan.
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Old 06-27-2023, 02:42 PM   #2082
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It's surreal to actually see iggy in the flesh participating in Flames operations/affairs.
Feels good. Feels right.
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Old 06-27-2023, 02:42 PM   #2083
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Thinking you HAVE to make a trade is how Feaster blew the Jaybo trade

these guys are all signed next year
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If they only make 1 trade that would be a miss IMO.
I agree. Hopefully the prediction of 1.5 trades is bang on.
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Old 06-27-2023, 02:45 PM   #2085
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Friedman always says, the best indicator of future behavior is past behavior.

Not making a trade and going into the season with all these guys would put a damper on this newly acquired hopium I've found.
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Old 06-27-2023, 02:45 PM   #2086
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Thinking you HAVE to make a trade is how Feaster blew the Jaybo trade

these guys are all signed next year
One factor in the Bouwmeester and even Iginla returns was that the Flames got zero NHL games out of the two first round picks recouped. Had they hit on one of those picks those trades wouldn't have looked so bad.
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Old 06-27-2023, 02:47 PM   #2087
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I agree. Hopefully the prediction of 1.5 trades is bang on.
What's the half trade, a back massage for future considerations?
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Old 06-27-2023, 02:47 PM   #2088
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One factor in the Bouwmeester and even Iginla returns was that the Flames got zero NHL games out of the two first round picks recouped. Had they hit on one of those picks those trades wouldn't have looked so bad.
IIRC, Calgary received the only two first round picks that were moved at that time.
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Old 06-27-2023, 02:49 PM   #2089
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One factor in the Bouwmeester and even Iginla returns was that the Flames got zero NHL games out of the two first round picks recouped. Had they hit on one of those picks those trades wouldn't have looked so bad.
This doesn't change your point at all, but the flames got 8 NHL games out of Poirier and 1 from Klimchuk.
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Old 06-27-2023, 02:50 PM   #2090
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Thinking you HAVE to make a trade is how Feaster blew the Jaybo trade

these guys are all signed next year
Or you can fall into the same trap we did with Brodie, Hamonic, Gaudreau, etc

These guys are healthy now and probably at peak value, waiting just creates additional risk.

You can't just wait for the perfect trade.
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Old 06-27-2023, 02:50 PM   #2091
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One factor in the Bouwmeester and even Iginla returns was that the Flames got zero NHL games out of the two first round picks recouped. Had they hit on one of those picks those trades wouldn't have looked so bad.
still funny to me how many 1st rounders from that draft ended up with the Flames organization at some point.

Elias Lindholm
Sean Monahan
Nikita Zadorov
Curtis Lazar
Kerby Rychel
Emile Poirier
Hunter Shinkaruk
Morgan Klimchuk

8 out of 30. Crazy.
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Man I forgot about Rychel. That was a good draft and the Flames unfortunately latched on to a lot of the 1st round players that didn't work out.

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This doesn't change your point at all, but the flames got 8 NHL games out of Poirier and 1 from Klimchuk.
I thought Klimchuk got in the lineup once. Forgot Poirier played.
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That Iggy interview is awesome. Keep that guy involved in this organization for as long as we can and good things will happen.
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Old 06-27-2023, 02:53 PM   #2094
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This is why the Flames should not have left Jay Feaster and John freakin Weisbrod in charge of trading Iginla and Bouwmeester
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cant let perfect be the enemy of good.

Pretending like the value won't be maximized now but will be at the TDL next year is risky- to put it lightly. And I'm sure at that point, just like Gaudreau, or any other asset, we'll have a bunch of justifications as to why it doesn't make sense to do things then too.

Just negotiate the best trades you can now and get it going.
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Or you can fall into the same trap we did with Brodie, Hamonic, Gaudreau, etc

These guys are healthy now and probably at peak value, waiting just creates additional risk.

You can't just wait for the perfect trade.
Market value of the equivalent of a 1st and two 2nds for Hanifin is a fine framework for a trade to go by.
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Old 06-27-2023, 03:00 PM   #2097
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cant let perfect be the enemy of good.

Pretending like the value won't be maximized now but will be at the TDL next year is risky- to put it lightly. And I'm sure at that point, just like Gaudreau, or any other asset, we'll have a bunch of justifications as to why it doesn't make sense to do things then too.

Just negotiate the best trades you can now and get it going.
At some point the best deal now is just not good enough to cave to, though. If that happens, just wait. It's not a binary choice.
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Old 06-27-2023, 03:01 PM   #2098
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Conroy seems a bit reticent and downbeat in that interview.
I didn’t get that impression at all.
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Old 06-27-2023, 03:03 PM   #2099
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This is why so many of us wanted Tre to start making moves last Trade Deadline when it was becoming clear the team would likely miss the playoffs. Many others said it wasn't a big deal because we would end up getting our work done at this year's draft.. Can't blame people for getting anxious watching the clock tick down on this year's draft. I just don't want to see the can kicked down the road into next season, especially if draft picks are involved it should be for this summer.

There's still time obviously, and I'll be stoked to look stupid when a bunch of trades are announced between now and end of day tomorrow. But I'm a firm believer that if we don't trade a few guys by tomorrow evening we will regret it. Also none of us actually know what the offers are, so by saying "you have to wait until you get the best deal".. well yeah of course that's true, but for all we know the only reason the trades haven't happened is because we're still trying to sign some of these guys.

All of the "insiders" have said there's a substantial return coming for guys like Lindholm and Hanifin if they're traded, so I hope/expect that these guys can be traded and we are just being a little extra cautious right now. Hopefully we are in the end-game now.
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This is why the Flames should not have left Jay Feaster and John freakin Weisbrod in charge of trading Iginla and Bouwmeester
In the end I don't think the Iginla trade was Feaster's fault.

The issue was the trade was made 2-3 years too late.

Iginla was 35 years old, he had 22 points in 31 games, and he had a NTC that limited him to 2 teams.

You can't expect a huge return in that scenario.

Bouwmeester is a bit of an interesting one because his value was at an all time low in Calgary too. Never broke 30 points, team was in a bit of shambles. Getting a 1st back wasn't terrible business.

The issue with both those trades is they were adamant on getting 3 pieces back, and because of that the prospects they got back were kind of ####.
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