06-27-2023, 02:41 PM
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#2081
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
If they only make 1 trade that would be a miss IMO.
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You don't make trades for the simple sake of doing so.
Conroy needs to hold firm on his asks for these players. These are not trades that need to be done by tomorrow as boring as that is to hear as a fan.
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06-27-2023, 02:42 PM
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#2082
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent
It's surreal to actually see iggy in the flesh participating in Flames operations/affairs.
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Feels good. Feels right.
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06-27-2023, 02:42 PM
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#2083
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Franchise Player
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Thinking you HAVE to make a trade is how Feaster blew the Jaybo trade
these guys are all signed next year
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06-27-2023, 02:44 PM
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#2084
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GOAT!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
If they only make 1 trade that would be a miss IMO.
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I agree. Hopefully the prediction of 1.5 trades is bang on.
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06-27-2023, 02:45 PM
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#2085
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Scoring Winger
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Friedman always says, the best indicator of future behavior is past behavior.
Not making a trade and going into the season with all these guys would put a damper on this newly acquired hopium I've found.
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06-27-2023, 02:45 PM
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#2086
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
Thinking you HAVE to make a trade is how Feaster blew the Jaybo trade
these guys are all signed next year
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One factor in the Bouwmeester and even Iginla returns was that the Flames got zero NHL games out of the two first round picks recouped. Had they hit on one of those picks those trades wouldn't have looked so bad.
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06-27-2023, 02:47 PM
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#2087
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FanIn80
I agree. Hopefully the prediction of 1.5 trades is bang on.
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What's the half trade, a back massage for future considerations?
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06-27-2023, 02:47 PM
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#2088
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
One factor in the Bouwmeester and even Iginla returns was that the Flames got zero NHL games out of the two first round picks recouped. Had they hit on one of those picks those trades wouldn't have looked so bad.
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IIRC, Calgary received the only two first round picks that were moved at that time.
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06-27-2023, 02:49 PM
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#2089
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Montréal, QC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
One factor in the Bouwmeester and even Iginla returns was that the Flames got zero NHL games out of the two first round picks recouped. Had they hit on one of those picks those trades wouldn't have looked so bad.
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This doesn't change your point at all, but the flames got 8 NHL games out of Poirier and 1 from Klimchuk.
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06-27-2023, 02:50 PM
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#2090
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
Thinking you HAVE to make a trade is how Feaster blew the Jaybo trade
these guys are all signed next year
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Or you can fall into the same trap we did with Brodie, Hamonic, Gaudreau, etc
These guys are healthy now and probably at peak value, waiting just creates additional risk.
You can't just wait for the perfect trade.
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06-27-2023, 02:50 PM
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#2091
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
One factor in the Bouwmeester and even Iginla returns was that the Flames got zero NHL games out of the two first round picks recouped. Had they hit on one of those picks those trades wouldn't have looked so bad.
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still funny to me how many 1st rounders from that draft ended up with the Flames organization at some point.
Elias Lindholm
Sean Monahan
Nikita Zadorov
Curtis Lazar
Kerby Rychel
Emile Poirier
Hunter Shinkaruk
Morgan Klimchuk
8 out of 30. Crazy.
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06-27-2023, 02:52 PM
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#2092
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Man I forgot about Rychel. That was a good draft and the Flames unfortunately latched on to a lot of the 1st round players that didn't work out.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Party Elephant
This doesn't change your point at all, but the flames got 8 NHL games out of Poirier and 1 from Klimchuk.
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I thought Klimchuk got in the lineup once. Forgot Poirier played.
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06-27-2023, 02:52 PM
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#2093
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Turner Valley
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That Iggy interview is awesome. Keep that guy involved in this organization for as long as we can and good things will happen.
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06-27-2023, 02:53 PM
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#2094
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Franchise Player
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This is why the Flames should not have left Jay Feaster and John freakin Weisbrod in charge of trading Iginla and Bouwmeester
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06-27-2023, 02:53 PM
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#2095
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damn onions
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cant let perfect be the enemy of good.
Pretending like the value won't be maximized now but will be at the TDL next year is risky- to put it lightly. And I'm sure at that point, just like Gaudreau, or any other asset, we'll have a bunch of justifications as to why it doesn't make sense to do things then too.
Just negotiate the best trades you can now and get it going.
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06-27-2023, 02:56 PM
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#2096
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Or you can fall into the same trap we did with Brodie, Hamonic, Gaudreau, etc
These guys are healthy now and probably at peak value, waiting just creates additional risk.
You can't just wait for the perfect trade.
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Market value of the equivalent of a 1st and two 2nds for Hanifin is a fine framework for a trade to go by.
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06-27-2023, 03:00 PM
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#2097
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee
cant let perfect be the enemy of good.
Pretending like the value won't be maximized now but will be at the TDL next year is risky- to put it lightly. And I'm sure at that point, just like Gaudreau, or any other asset, we'll have a bunch of justifications as to why it doesn't make sense to do things then too.
Just negotiate the best trades you can now and get it going.
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At some point the best deal now is just not good enough to cave to, though. If that happens, just wait. It's not a binary choice.
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06-27-2023, 03:01 PM
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#2098
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Turner Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop
Conroy seems a bit reticent and downbeat in that interview.
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I didn’t get that impression at all.
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06-27-2023, 03:03 PM
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#2100
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx
This is why the Flames should not have left Jay Feaster and John freakin Weisbrod in charge of trading Iginla and Bouwmeester
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In the end I don't think the Iginla trade was Feaster's fault.
The issue was the trade was made 2-3 years too late.
Iginla was 35 years old, he had 22 points in 31 games, and he had a NTC that limited him to 2 teams.
You can't expect a huge return in that scenario.
Bouwmeester is a bit of an interesting one because his value was at an all time low in Calgary too. Never broke 30 points, team was in a bit of shambles. Getting a 1st back wasn't terrible business.
The issue with both those trades is they were adamant on getting 3 pieces back, and because of that the prospects they got back were kind of ####.
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