[Rumour] The Athletic: Flames firesale

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Top 10 dmen in the league? Okay this is out of control lol.

I get that your shtick is to dump on everything about the Flames, but you are clearly on an island here.

Pro tip: when you are the ONLY ONE promoting an opinion in the face of UNIVERSAL opposition, this probably means that your opinion is wrong.

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[metroneck]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

https://thewincolumn.ca/2022/04/03/b...-happens-next/

Injury history and decline. Wishful thinking he was still going to return to form. Poor asset management.

Are you saying choosing to protect 11 players vs 8 is poor asset management?

Exposing Monahan would not have opened a spot to protect Gio. That’s not how the rules worked.

[Sandman]

44 points in his final year as a Panther, and only 3 PP points. Excellent two-way defender, and was the best in the league at denying entries.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by metroneck

Are you saying choosing to protect 11 players vs 8 is poor asset management?

Exposing Monahan would not have opened a spot to protect Gio. That’s not how the rules worked.

I think he's saying the Flames should have traded Gio for a return and exposed Monahan such that Seattle would take him over a guy like Kylington.

Which is an easy decision to make now, yeas in the future. At the time NO ONE was saying Monahan should be exposed.

It's an idiotic argument.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Sandman

You could easily get 3 top tier young assets for Weegs, easily.

Okay maybe you're right. Can you provide a few trade examples that would show this? 3 top tier young assets for a player similar to Weegs

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I get that your shtick is to dump on everything about the Flames, but you are clearly on an island here.

Pro tip: when you are the ONLY ONE promoting an opinion in the face of UNIVERSAL opposition, this probably means that your opinion is wrong.

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Well you can prove me wrong. List 5 examples of trades where a similar player to Weegar was moved for a substantial package

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Well you can prove me wrong. List 5 examples of trades where a similar player to Weegar was moved for a substantial package

well if you disagree what Weegar is its pretty hard

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Well you can prove me wrong. List 5 examples of trades where a similar player to Weegar was moved for a substantial package

Hamonic - first and 2 seconds
Chychrun - first and 2 seconds
Lindholm - first and two seconds and two prospects
Ekholm - first round pick, first round pick prospect, fourth round pick


That was just off the top of my head. The value is clearly there, and him being signed long term at that price only increases his value.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Hamonic - first and 2 seconds
Chychrun - first and 2 seconds
Lindholm - first and two seconds and two prospects

There were many reports that the Sens were trying to get Weegar at the deadline

[Beninho]

If any team gives Hanifin 8+ they are going to sorely regret that. Would not have expected that type of number being thrown around for him based on his actual play.

[Sandman]

Players like Weegar simply don’t get traded very often.

[CASe333]

Muzzin might be a decent comparable at the time of his trade (Jan 28, 2019) for Carl Grundstrom, Sean Durzi, and a 2019 1rst rd pick

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Players like Weegar simply don’t get traded very often.

Zito was hypnotized by the unicorn.

[NewFan]

It's nice if we get a blue chip prospect and draft picks.
I'm sure teams will not trade their future star players for our guys. I mean the prospect we get may be become Lindholms or Hanifins. But we need couple elite talents to build a team.
So I hope we can get 1sts more. And also Flames play exciting hockey but hope draft top 3 a couple years.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Hamonic - first and 2 seconds
Chychrun - first and 2 seconds
Lindholm - first and two seconds and two prospects
Ekholm - first round pick, first round pick prospect, fourth round pick


That was just off the top of my head. The value is clearly there, and him being signed long term at that price only increases his value.

Hamonic and Chychrun were in their early 20s so not very comparable. Ekholm you get a late 1st but you also got a cap dump of Tyson Barrie. Ekholm is also only signed for 3 more years not 8 more years. Lindholm is a decent example. So sure if you find a desperate contender maybe you can flip Weegar for a late 1st. But with 8 years remaining on his deal that would likely deter a lot of contenders with very limited cap space.

[metroneck]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think he's saying the Flames should have traded Gio for a return and exposed Monahan such that Seattle would take him over a guy like Kylington.

Which is an easy decision to make now, yeas in the future. At the time NO ONE was saying Monahan should be exposed.

It's an idiotic argument.

Rules:

Protect any 8 Players or 7F, 3D, 1G.

Exposing Monahan protects another Forward.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Hamonic and Chychrun were in their early 20s so not very comparable. Ekholm you get a late 1st but you also got a cap dump of Tyson Barrie. Ekholm is also only signed for 3 more years not 8 more years. Lindholm is a decent example. So sure if you find a desperate contender maybe you can flip Weegar for a late 1st. But with 8 years remaining on his deal that would likely deter a lot of contenders with very limited cap space.

Chychrun is 25

Ekholm is 33, when Weegar is that age he will have 4 years left...Weegar also has less miles on him

You could get a first for Weegar in about 10 seconds from multiple teams, the pluses would decide where he went

[bax]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Cripes the Gio thing again
If they had traded him they would have lost another player instead

Insane to me that people still don’t understand this. Saying the Flames lost Gio for nothing actually hurts the argument they’re trying to make.

[dino7c]

Gio was a great free cap dump...didn't he make like 6.7!

The Flames won the division and were second overall that season he left too. Gio is nice for the Leafs making 800k or whatever but he wasn't gonna do that here.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by CASe333

Muzzin might be a decent comparable at the time of his trade (Jan 28, 2019) for Carl Grundstrom, Sean Durzi, and a 2019 1rst rd pick

Again, I see the 8 years being an issue.

But sure, maybe you can get a late 1st for him and some scraps. Still proves my original point, which is you wasted Tkachuk. They should have gone after one solid young player, not two vets who needed retirement contracts.