2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

OEL was traded for 3 expiring contracts.

People underestimate what a GM will do.

GM's have gone out and paid big prices for a Darnell Nurse and Seth Jones. Everyone's favourite GM signed Andrew Copp to a nasty 5 year deal.

[bluejays]

Re: Huberdeau, I'm sure there are a handful of GMs who would take the contract off our hands. However, knowing the business world and how these guys operate, I bet Murray thinks he has the greatest asset on hand and would not accept dealing him for a severe discount. To get equal value is next to impossible given his off-year, but I would estimate there are a handful who would bet on reviving him in their system. Personally, I think the downside of 7 years is daunting and I'd love to move any of them with those long contracts (Kadri, Coleman, Markstrom). Losing those for pennies on the dollar is much better than the strong possibility of being strapped with those contracts for hockey eternity in the cap world.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Nope, not at 10.5, and one bounce back year does not justify anything. Anything short of 5 consecutive 90pt seasons= negative value, and lets face it, that is highly unlikely. The best hope is a trade for another equally bad contract on a shorter term; Seguin, Gallagher, Duchene/ Johansen.

By this logic, Mackinnon and Pastrnak aren't worth the extensions they singed

[Jason14h]

Arizona did have to retain 12% of OELs contract and it was 2 years shorter

And that trade was horrific at the time and got worse . So we need to find an idiotic GM and probably retain if moving

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Re: Huberdeau, I'm sure there are a handful of GMs who would take the contract off our hands. However, knowing the business world and how these guys operate, I bet Murray thinks he has the greatest asset on hand and would not accept dealing him for a severe discount. To get equal value is next to impossible given his off-year, but I would estimate there are a handful who would bet on reviving him in their system. Personally, I think the downside of 7 years is daunting and I'd love to move any of them with those long contracts (Kadri, Coleman, Markstrom). Losing those for pennies on the dollar is much better than the strong possibility of being strapped with those contracts for hockey eternity in the cap world.

You have to ice a team. And you have to, at a minimum, spend to the floor. There are always going to be bad contracts, but dumping them for pennies on the dollar, as opposed to being patient, is terrible asset management.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Benn, Jones and Nurse have proven that they aren't good players. Huberdeau has had one bad season, in an environment where everything went wrong and was terribly toxic, when he was trying to become better defensively.

Keep some perspective.

But Benn’s point total is what you are hoping for in year 4/5 of Huberdeau’s contract. If he has another 60pt next year then it will be one of the worst contracts in the league. If the Flames could find a team to take him this offseason then I’d be totally fine with it because it means they will finally do a rebuild.
Best case of Huberdeau rebounding still doesn’t really do much for the Flames unless some prospects go on a tear. They’d just waste the front end of his contract and be saddled with a Benn-like contract on the back half of it.
The Flames could be down to Kadri as their only top six center and multiple holes in the top 6 this year and then down to Weegar and Anderson on defense next year. I just don’t see how they ice a team that can even go on a Cinderella run while Huberdeau has the highest chance of bouncing back.
I’ll eat crow if Conroy successfully re-tools and the team is better next season but it is a tall order and they need to replace a #1C as a start assuming Lindholm wants out.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You have to ice a team. And you have to, at a minimum, spend to the floor. There are always going to be bad contracts, but dumping them for pennies on the dollar, as opposed to being patient, is terrible asset management.

It's easy to ice a team. Overpay anybody on a one year deal.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by butterfly

It's easy to ice a team. Overpay anybody on a one year deal.

Cool, so we want to be Arizona

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bonded

But Benn’s point total is what you are hoping for in year 4/5 of Huberdeau’s contract. If he has another 60pt next year then it will be one of the worst contracts in the league. If the Flames could find a team to take him this offseason then I’d be totally fine with it because it means they will finally do a rebuild.
Best case of Huberdeau rebounding still doesn’t really do much for the Flames unless some prospects go on a tear. They’d just waste the front end of his contract and be saddled with a Benn-like contract on the back half of it.
The Flames could be down to Kadri as their only top six center and multiple holes in the top 6 this year and then down to Weegar and Anderson on defense next year. I just don’t see how they ice a team that can even go on a Cinderella run while Huberdeau has the highest chance of bouncing back.
I’ll eat crow if Conroy successfully re-tools and the team is better next season but it is a tall order and they need to replace a #1C as a start assuming Lindholm wants out.

Even if all of your assumptions are right, so what? Trading Huberdeau for pennies - or worse, paying to get rid of him - doesn't make any of those scenarios better.

Honestly, some of you come across like jilted lovers, just wanting to get rid of him out of spite.

And if the Flames want to rebuild, having Huberdeau on the team does not deter that in any way - again, you still have to ice a team. In fact, if you ARE on the rebuild train, the best scenario for a rebuild is to wait and see if he rebounds, because if he does, you can trade him for a lot more in a few years than you can now.

There are no good reasons to dump him for pennies on the dollar right now (just spiteful ones)

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

No GM in the league would "line up" to take that 8 year Huberdeau contract. Get real people. We are stuck with it. Hopefully he returns some value on the front end of it.

Here’s your line of GMs who’d get in line to acquire a Huberdeau contract:
Chiarelli
Benning
Lowe
MacT
Tambellini
Holland
Doug MacLean
Treliving

[Buck Murdock]

Where does Monahan end up next year?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

By this logic, Mackinnon and Pastrnak aren't worth the extensions they singed

How do you know?

[musth]

You guys are crazy if you think Huberdeau, even at 10.5, has no value in this league.


Last season was a complete anomaly for many reasons

[Flamesfan05]

If Huberdeau gets 90+ point then maybe someone would trade for him next year

Coming off a 55 point season, nobody is going to give up anything valuable to have the privilege of overpaying a 30 yrs old the next 8 years

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Even if all of your assumptions are right, so what? Trading Huberdeau for pennies - or worse, paying to get rid of him - doesn't make any of those scenarios better.

Honestly, some of you come across like jilted lovers, just wanting to get rid of him out of spite.

And if the Flames want to rebuild, having Huberdeau on the team does not deter that in any way - again, you still have to ice a team. In fact, if you ARE on the rebuild train, the best scenario for a rebuild is to wait and see if he rebounds, because if he does, you can trade him for a lot more in a few years than you can now.

There are no good reasons to dump him for pennies on the dollar right now (just spiteful ones)

Nah, I think you are hung up on the sunk cost of the trade that brought Huberdeau here. I think it totally made sense for them to go for it this past season and there was no way they were going to do it with Huberdeau and Weegar sitting there unextended. It didn't work out and now the Flames are at a way different crossroads than last offseason and if they have the option to trade Huberdeau then it might make sense even if it is 'pennies on the dollar'.

Huberdeau being on the team is basically the worst case for a rebuild. If he bounces back in a big enough way to get good value then the Flames are closer to the middle of the pack picks rather than high picks and if he continues to perform poorly then they are stuck with a huge chunk of cap that can be utilized better.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Even if all of your assumptions are right, so what? Trading Huberdeau for pennies - or worse, paying to get rid of him - doesn't make any of those scenarios better.

Honestly, some of you come across like jilted lovers, just wanting to get rid of him out of spite.

And if the Flames want to rebuild, having Huberdeau on the team does not deter that in any way - again, you still have to ice a team. In fact, if you ARE on the rebuild train, the best scenario for a rebuild is to wait and see if he rebounds, because if he does, you can trade him for a lot more in a few years than you can now.

There are no good reasons to dump him for pennies on the dollar right now (just spiteful ones)

It’s not nearly as illogical as you’re making it out to be.

A team that looks poised for some significant roster turnover, potentially falling back out of the playoff contention window, makes less sense to have someone like Huberdeau on the books.

Even if he bounces back to a PPG player, the contract is veryyy difficult to move in a cap world.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Nah, I think you are hung up on the sunk cost of the trade that brought Huberdeau here. I think it totally made sense for them to go for it this past season and there was no way they were going to do it with Huberdeau and Weegar sitting there unextended. It didn't work out and now the Flames are at a way different crossroads than last offseason and if they have the option to trade Huberdeau then it might make sense even if it is 'pennies on the dollar'.

Huberdeau being on the team is basically the worst case for a rebuild. If he bounces back in a big enough way to get good value then the Flames are closer to the middle of the pack picks rather than high picks and if he continues to perform poorly then they are stuck with a huge chunk of cap that can be utilized better.

We are not rebuilding. It's been stated many times we might retool with younger players but they aren't rebuilding.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Arizona did have to retain 12% of OELs contract and it was 2 years shorter

And that trade was horrific at the time and got worse . So we need to find an idiotic GM and probably retain if moving

Have not seen the J- Fresh WAR card on Huberdeau....but was he 5% War bad last year? He had a terrible season but how much worse was he than a guy who was-33 to get 74 points?
I dont recall the advanced stats on Huberdeau putting him at the bottom of the league.

That's the level OEL was at when the Canucks traded for him.

Foolish me thinks Huberdeau can get back to being more the 90 point guy he had been than the 55 point guy he was. Doubt he'll return equal value on his contract, but I don't think he's another Brouwer or Neal. If the team offs him for nothing and eats 2.625 a year for 8 years to do it...I doubt they'll find a guy for under 8 per that outscore him in the next 5 seasons without giving up something significant to get that player.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by musth

You guys are crazy if you think Huberdeau, even at 10.5, has no value in this league.


Last season was a complete anomaly for many reasons

Out of curiosity, let's say Huberdeau is playing for the Blues and just had the season he had and the current contract, he becomes available, what would you trade off the Flames to acquire?

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Nope, not at 10.5, and one bounce back year does not justify anything. Anything short of 5 consecutive 90pt seasons= negative value, and lets face it, that is highly unlikely. The best hope is a trade for another equally bad contract on a shorter term; Seguin, Gallagher, Duchene/ Johansen.

Can we get an lol button installed next to the thanks button?