Never understood this obsession to get up close and personal to see the Titanic. There are more than enough photos, videos and mapped out shapefiles you can import into various softwares to get a detailed view. Why spend the time and money to do something like this, when you can dive a dozen meters or so in other shallower waters around the world and see other wreckages that are significantly safer?
I guess it's a hobby for some. I dunno, l don't see the appeal of this particular wreckage.
It was diving on the Titanic site, information out says they lost contact 1 hour and 45 minutes into the dive. Not sure how deep that would put them.
That's 12500 ft depth. 4000m. They'll freeze to death before they're found if they haven't decompressed. And even if they are found? They cannot just bring em up, that's a 6 hour lift in itself.
We're in acts of God levels of saving now. And the Coast Guard Admiral said it went missing yesterday. They gone.
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That's 12500 ft depth. 4000m. They'll freeze to death before they're found if they haven't decompressed. And even if they are found? They cannot just bring em up, that's a 6 hour lift in itself.
We're in acts of God levels of saving now. And the Coast Guard Admiral said it went missing yesterday. They gone.
Would they actually freeze to death? The temperature at the bottom of the ocean is 4 degrees C, but it is a small capsule with 5 people generating heat, and all probably wearing heavy clothes. I would assume there is a survival kit on board as well with emergency blankets.
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Never understood this obsession to get up close and personal to see the Titanic. There are more than enough photos, videos and mapped out shapefiles you can import into various softwares to get a detailed view. Why spend the time and money to do something like this, when you can dive a dozen meters or so in other shallower waters around the world and see other wreckages that are significantly safer?
I guess it's a hobby for some. I dunno, l don't see the appeal of this particular wreckage.
I feel like if I was Gates or Bezos level rich, I would do extreme stuff like this.
But I'd probably phone up James Cameron and ask him who his sub manufacturer was. I mean how much would a sub like that cost? $50 million? $100 million? Mere pennies for the ultrawealthy.
Would they actually freeze to death? The temperature at the bottom of the ocean is 4 degrees C, but it is a small capsule with 5 people generating heat, and all probably wearing heavy clothes. I would assume there is a survival kit on board as well with emergency blankets.
Depends on their redundant back ups like a secondary power source for such things as heat. I do belive the Temps at 12k feet or below is actually closer to 2°C. That'll be cold enough to eff some ppl up, even in a tight space with 5 ppl.
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I know time is of the essence here but if the floor is previously mapped out from titanic sonar or whatever, can't they do a sonar of the area quickly and take the delta to find them? I know I'm oversimplifying but if they narrow the area around the titanic wouldn't it be possible?
I know time is of the essence here but if the floor is previously mapped out from titanic sonar or whatever, can't they do a sonar of the area quickly and take the delta to find them? I know I'm oversimplifying but if they narrow the area around the titanic wouldn't it be possible?
Thats what the Canadian coast guard and military have been doing, pinging the heck out of the site with their sub hunting systems..
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I know time is of the essence here but if the floor is previously mapped out from titanic sonar or whatever, can't they do a sonar of the area quickly and take the delta to find them? I know I'm oversimplifying but if they narrow the area around the titanic wouldn't it be possible?
Not sure if I read an earlier article correctly or not but I am not certain they even had recovery abilities in place for a situation like this. Or even if they did if the timeline would even be realistic for a recovery.
Sounds like a lot of risk was possibly ignored here.
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Certainly for those onboard it was a rich measuring contest and all, but I can't fathom the panic they're going through if they're alive there right now. What the heck are these companies doing trying to make profits on such risky situations?
Certainly for those onboard it was a rich measuring contest and all, but I can't fathom the panic they're going through if they're alive there right now. What the heck are these companies doing trying to make profits on such risky situations?
It doesn't really seem like profit is the main motivator, more like being the guy who takes people to the Titanic.
In one of the articles, the guy talks about how these trips cost more to put on than he makes from guests.
Not sure if I read an earlier article correctly or not but I am not certain they even had recovery abilities in place for a situation like this. Or even if they did if the timeline would even be realistic for a recovery.
Sounds like a lot of risk was possibly ignored here.
Listened to one news story that said there are only 3 currently operating subs that can go to that depth, but none of them really have a way to refloat a vessel from that depth in the short time that would be required before air runs out. Basically, if the vessel is intact but at the bottom of the ocean, it just means they know that they can call off the search above the water.
Another crappy thing is that even if it is bobbing at the surface, the capsule is sealed from the outside and there is no way to open it from the inside, so the time limit to find them still applies.
They also showed the inside of the capsule and while there is a really small window in the back, you can't actually see clearly through it. There is a camera on the outside of the vessel and they view images on a screen. Really no different than just watching on TV.
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Certainly for those onboard it was a rich measuring contest and all, but I can't fathom the panic they're going through if they're alive there right now. What the heck are these companies doing trying to make profits on such risky situations?
Everyone's got their own risk tolerance. If they accept it for the benefit offered, great! As long as their estates are charged for the search and recovery costs.
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Knowing what I learned by reading this thread (thank you Flames Addiction) there is no way I would go down in a submarine, just to look at the titanic on a monitor. Even if I had the means to do that.
I think I would get claustrophobic trapped in the sub for that long.
I'm assuming that they aren't in communication with the sub. I mean I get that I'm thinking too short of depth but an Ohio Class submarine uses VLF to be called to the surface using like a single letter.
Also you'd think a sub like that would have an "I'm dead Buoy" with a long cable attachment.
The concept of the I'm dead buoy is it could be released to the surface manually or in the event that the sub turtles, and it would store the subs last location on it.
I'm assuming that the first thing that the crew would do if they were alive would be to automatically go into battery saving mode, shut everything non essential off, turn the heat down to the bare minimum and reduce the o2 content in the atmosphere to preserve air.
They're banging away with active sonar to find it, but this thing is deep, like 3800 feet deep from what I understand and it was heading into the grave of the titanic so it would be hard for the sonar to pick it out from the clutter.
Even if they do find it, the clock is ticking. The Titanic submarine can dive to a depth of 3800 meters or something like 13,000 feet. The deepest diving military submarine can dive to 10% of that depth.
From my understanding there are deeper diving submarines out there, but I don't think they're really built for rescue and nowhere near close.
Also if the sub hasn't managed to return to the surface, there's probably no way to get something down there to force it to the surface.
I was just reading that the last communication was an 1 3/4 into its departure.
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I know, boring answer that doesn't allow us to judge the individual as a removed third party but often times people gravitate towards things they enjoy (crazy concept I know). And if they have the resources to do it full time then there are many examples of people who do this.
Doesn't take away the fact that it's a risky operation that could easily backfire with grave consequences.
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Would they actually freeze to death? The temperature at the bottom of the ocean is 4 degrees C, but it is a small capsule with 5 people generating heat, and all probably wearing heavy clothes. I would assume there is a survival kit on board as well with emergency blankets.
Its a possibility. Thought its not really super cold at 4 degrees.
The bigger threat, is not only just having air for about 70 hours. but the crew will likely turn down the oxygen to preserve air and there are issues with heightened Carbon dioxide exposure in a compressed space.
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