[Rumour] LeBrun: All signs point to Hanifin not wanting to extend with Flames

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I don't think anyone is assuming he'll be bad, but there is reason to worry that he might be quite a bit less than hoped for.

It's certainly not a sure thing he'll bounce back.

Bounce back to what? 110+ points? I think only the detractors are using that as their baseline. I personally am only considering 80-90+ as my expectation

[Two Fivenagame]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

FWIW i don't trust Elliot Friedman because of that bald spot he's got. He's get a hair transplant or a toupee if he was really committed to his role.

He just needs to spend more time on camera next to Scott Oake

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I'm saying everyone looked through a lens of Sutter being a coaching god. Now people are looking through a lens of Huberdeau being a boat anchor. 12 months from now a bunch of present assumptions are gonna look hilariously dumb.

It isn't even that Huberdeau is a boat anchor to me. If the Flames trade Hanifin, Lindholm, and Toffoli then they should re-assess and look at trading out Huberdeau if there is a suitor. If Conroy pulls out some solid re-tool trades then trading Huberdeau makes less sense but I feel like best case if they go re-tool trades will be worse players than what they are losing.

[The Original FFIV]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but hanifin played for Sabres coach Don Granato at the ntdp. Speaks highly of him in the below article from 2015 (says he could be a Duncan Keith type d). As sabres need that d (and were identified as a potential trade partner previously), probably some smoke here.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2015/06...or-hockey/amp/

[Vinny01]

I would take the Dman package of a 1st and 2 2nds from the Sabres for Hanifin at the draft if we can get their 23 picks. They have the 13th, 39th, 45th picks.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I could get behind that return. Doubt Buffalo bites on that though.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I would take the Dman package of a 1st and 2 2nds from the Sabres for Hanifin at the draft if we can get their 23 picks. They have the 13th, 39th, 45th picks.

Can't see a team not wanting to draft until the 3rd round in this draft, for optics reasons alone. If you nab the 13th, that's the big prize. 13th plus prospect is probably enough honestly.

[SuperMatt18]

I could see something like 13 + Jokiharju + 2024 2nd

This is one of those drafts where if you move your 1st, then you're going to want to keep your 2nd.

Maybe you could get 45 instead of the 2024 2nd but feel like they'd want to keep that pick.

Although I also don't really see a huge need at LH d for the Sabres and think they would probably be focusing more on a RH shot maybe.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Bonded

It isn't even that Huberdeau is a boat anchor to me. If the Flames trade Hanifin, Lindholm, and Toffoli then they should re-assess and look at trading out Huberdeau if there is a suitor. If Conroy pulls out some solid re-tool trades then trading Huberdeau makes less sense but I feel like best case if they go re-tool trades will be worse players than what they are losing.

I doubt there's many suiters for Huberdeau right now. Too many teams with cap issues and Huberdeau was awful last year.

If all of Hanifin, Lindholm, and Toffoli are gone, then the plan for 2023/24 should be to showcase the remaining vets. Let Huberdeau play poor defence and put up a 100+ season. It'll make it a lot easier to move him a the next trade deadline/off season.

You also call up the kids. Who knows, a couple may turn out to replace what Lindholm and Toffoli were bringing and you end up with a competitive team.

[Electricprez]

I remain baffled by those trying to offload Huberdeau already. One bad year. This should not be James Neal 2.0 -- I think you see what he can do in this new environment.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I would take the Dman package of a 1st and 2 2nds from the Sabres for Hanifin at the draft if we can get their 23 picks. They have the 13th, 39th, 45th picks.

I want Nip Tuch!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

More like Treliving signing that contract on behalf of the Flames. Huby rather enjoyed signing that contract, he wouldn't have touched that money even as a UFA

If he was a UFA last summer he would have after outscoring

Drai
Matthews
Marner
Kucherov

everyone but McDavid

especially if you include Calgary tax

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Hanifin / Nylander swap would be a slam dunk.

You'd have to do some serious cap restructuring for next year though, and probably bite a couple bullets in the process (buyouts or paying to unload other contracts)

[Vinny01]

Nylander will want at minimum the elite winger money that Tkachuk, Stone, Kucherov and others have signed so $9.5M on a max term. I would rather just give Lindholm that deal than trade for and pay it to Nylander. If the Flames are going after a high priced wing from the Leafs then let’s chase Marner.

I am not interested in Nylander at his likely ask and would rather not have a high profile pending UFA who is managed by Lewis Gross being Flames property.

[TheScorpion]

Took a closer look at what a deal with Seattle might look like — they've always made a ton of sense to me, given their big hole on the left side and that Francis drafted Hanifin to begin with

https://flamesnation.ca/news/the-sea...de-destination

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Nylander will want at minimum the elite winger money that Tkachuk, Stone, Kucherov and others have signed so $9.5M on a max term. I would rather just give Lindholm that deal than trade for and pay it to Nylander. If the Flames are going after a high priced wing from the Leafs then let’s chase Marner.

I am not interested in Nylander at his likely ask and would rather not have a high profile pending UFA who is managed by Lewis Gross being Flames property.

Not too sure what Gross has to do with it. I can’t imagine he advised Gaudreau to lead the Flames to believe he was coming back only to change his mind at the 11th hour. Bear in mind, Gross took a huge hit there as well by Gaudreau signing for +$15M less than what the Flames had on the table.

Also, Gross was Conroy’s agent, they probably have a good relationship.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Took a closer look at what a deal with Seattle might look like — they've always made a ton of sense to me, given their big hole on the left side and that Francis drafted Hanifin to begin with

https://flamesnation.ca/news/the-sea...de-destination

Aren’t Dunn and Oleksiak (their two highest-paid Dmen) both LD?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Not too sure what Gross has to do with it. I can’t imagine he advised Gaudreau to lead the Flames to believe he was coming back only to change his mind at the 11th hour. Bear in mind, Gross took a huge hit there as well by Gaudreau signing for +$15M less than what the Flames had on the table.

Also, Gross was Conroy’s agent, they probably have a good relationship.

Good point regarding Conroy. Gaudreau held out into camp and signed the day before the season started and 6 years later he bailed on the very last minute. Nylander held out until the very last minute before burning an entire season on a holdout at the beginning of this deal. This is how Gross operates with his premier clients it would seem

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Took a closer look at what a deal with Seattle might look like — they've always made a ton of sense to me, given their big hole on the left side and that Francis drafted Hanifin to begin with

https://flamesnation.ca/news/the-sea...de-destination

I think you are a little high on Evans. I like his skill level but those types of under-sized skilled dmen are still in tough to make the NHL. For every Fox/Makar/Hughes (who all have unreal skill levels) you have a pile of others who don't make it.
I like him but not as a key piece of a deal for the Flames.
I might be inclined to gather Goyette more.
The framework and fit broadly make sense though between the two teams.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Not sure if this has been mentioned but hanifin played for Sabres coach Don Granato at the ntdp. Speaks highly of him in the below article from 2015 (says he could be a Duncan Keith type d). As sabres need that d (and were identified as a potential trade partner previously), probably some smoke here.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2015/06...or-hockey/amp/

Hanifin and Vladar for Buffalo’s 1st and Jiri Kulich