[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[Toonage]

Traded at the draft: Lindholm, Hanifin, Backlund
Traded at the deadline: Tanev, Toffoli
Re-signed: Kylington, Zadorov

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Traded this Summer: Lindholm, Hanifin
Re-signed this Summer: Toffoli, Backlund
Traded at the deadline: Tanev, Zadorov
Re-signed at the deadline: Kylington

I hope I'm wrong about Toffoli. I just don't want that age of player signed (especially after a career season), but I feel like he'll be part of the "competing this year" focus.

Or you could look at him as a good veteran who worked super hard in a weird season to have a career year when other overpaid players *cough Kadri cough* seemed to sulk and not try.

He has won it all and continues to contribute thanks to his work effort and that should he something the young guys on the team look up to and learn from. I'd rather they have Tofolli as a mentor than Kadri.

[Vinny01]

I would prefer to sell high on Toffoli but I think he wants to be a Flame and he is viewed highly as a veteran leader. He just captained team Canada to a gold at the World’s. I do worry about his game falling off a cliff as it happened with other slower snipers like Heatly and Neal.

Ultimately I think the organization views him as a key leader on the team and if they are bringing up a bunch of young guys Toffoli is the type of player they those guys to be around.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Or you could look at him as a good veteran who worked super hard in a weird season to have a career year when other overpaid players *cough Kadri cough* seemed to sulk and not try.

He has won it all and continues to contribute thanks to his work effort and that should he something the young guys on the team look up to and learn from. I'd rather they have Tofolli as a mentor than Kadri.

I don't think saying Kadri sulked/was overpaid when it was a toxic work environment is fair at all when we look at what we know now.

If you like the idea of signing Toffoli, that's cool - but I don't think this team needs to be saddling themselves with contracts where they're paying older players big dollars into their mid/late 30s - we have enough of those already. We need to balance them with younger players. You give Toffoli credit for having "won it all" but Toffoli won that Cup a decade ago with a Coach that was just pushed out of town because he created a nightmarish environment for his team, meanwhile Kadri "won it all" a year ago and was one of the players who reportedly spoke up against that coach this past year.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don't think saying Kadri sulked/was overpaid when it was a toxic work environment is fair at all when we look at what we know now.

If you like the idea of signing Toffoli, that's cool - but I don't think this team needs to be saddling themselves with contracts where they're paying older players big dollars into their mid/late 30s - we have enough of those already. We need to balance them with younger players. You give Toffoli credit for having "won it all" but Toffoli won that Cup with a Coach that was just pushed out of town because he created a nightmarish environment for his team, meanwhile Kadri "won it all" a year ago.

Well if you think Kadri's play and effort down the stretch was fine then we will have to agree to disagree. I'd rather the young players watch Tofolli or Weegar go out every shift and give it 100% than Kadri try to one hand poke pass behind the net in the laziest play a Flames player has made since James Neal. Not sure how that kind of lazy play can be excused honestly. Personal pride should show up at some point.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Well if you think Kadri's play and effort down the stretch was fine then we will have to agree to disagree. I'd rather the young players watch Tofolli or Weegar go out every shift and give it 100% than Kadri try to one hand poke pass behind the net in the laziest play a Flames player has made since James Neal. Not sure how that kind of lazy play can be excused honestly. Personal pride should show up at some point.

Kadri had no problem giving 100% in Colorado, he played a huge part in winning a Stanley Cup.

To me, Kadri showed leadership qualities last year. He knew it was !@$%ed, he spoke out against it. Ryan Leslie spoke to just how strained the Sutter/Kadri relationship was. I think if you go back to the start of last season, before Sutter really got "ahold" of everything - just go back and look at how good Kadri started the season.

Kadri wanted Sutter fired.
Toffoli said Sutter is the best coach he's ever had.

I'm more onboard with Kadri than Toffoli at this stage.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

BS. Sec had not revealed any source nor should he.
{snip}

Just a comment on CPers and rumours etc. I have a highly-placed pal in the know of things political and he tells me all kinds of stories I can't - and don't - repeat, and not for lack of wanting to! Sometimes I can...and pass on those tidbits of interest (not obviously on CP) for others' amusement.

And that's what it is...here or elsewhere...amusement. Whether right or wrong, accurate or just curious...it's....amusement. Not to be taken as fact! Amusement! Things to speculate upon and think about whether they meet the eye and ear test.

I appreciate the rumours here...and I get a few as I have someone in my life closely involved with "an" owner. Do I hear things? Occasionally. Would I spill the beans? Nope. But I still listen to what I hear with....(you got it) amusement.

So Sec214, dissentowner, getbak...all the rest....PLEASE keep on keeping on amusing us with your rumours. Some of us enjoy them for what they are.

And, to those that question them, get a life. It's a message board.

[Jiri Hrdina]

The other thing about rumors, whether it is someone posting something here or a media insider, is just because something doesn't actually happen, doesn't mean that the rumor was invalid. The outcome doesn't prove or disprove the original rumor at all.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

So I can repeat something i heard from somebody who's full of #### and creates fiction, and regardless of which way it ends up going, it doesn't disprove the validity of the rumor?

I'd say some rumors are Eklund level hogwash. Not all rumors are equal.

Depends on the source. If the source is connected then it's worth actually talking about, at least.

[TheIronMaiden]

I would trade Toffoli now, his value is not going to get greater than it is now.

[Strange Brew]

I am fine with leaving Toffoli situation as is. Trade him at the deadline if you’re out of it, keep him if you’re in it.

Having guys play out their contract is not the worst thing. It just depends on the player. Well run franchises like Tampa don’t skip a beat when a player like Coleman leaves for a large contract. That is far better than overpaying for older players IMO

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I am fine with leaving Toffoli situation as is. Trade him at the deadline if you’re out of it, keep him if you’re in it.

Having guys play out their contract is not the worst thing. It just depends on the player. Well run franchises like Tampa don’t skip a beat when a player like Coleman leaves for a large contract. That is far better than overpaying for older players IMO

It stings to let Toffoli walk considering the cost was a 1st, 5th and prospect drafted in the 2nd round not long ago for what would only be 2.5 years and 1-2 playoff runs

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I would trade Toffoli now, his value is not going to get greater than it is now.

Toffoli's value at the deadline (if he maintains play) is going to be worth so much more than now.

Moving Hanifin this summer, where he will sign a long term deal with the new team, is a no brainer.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

BS. Sec had not revealed any source nor should he. Let's review, my source had Gaudreau wanting to re-sign with the Flames, that was absolutely true until a list minute conversation with his wife where she convinced him otherwise. This has been confirmed by an actual insider and other sources as truth even though squiggs tried to say otherwise and I got piled on for that. That info was actually dead on, everybody in the Flames organization thought he was re-signing and they had reached a deal. I mean feel free to send a message to our new GM that he is not reliable because he admitted to believing the exact same thing. So when someone wants to throw Gaudreau in my face, feel free because even though he decided at the last minute to change his mind the info was solid. Then BT was fired and everyone went on about how the organization chose Sutter over him, Sutter was just extended and too expensive to let go, he isn't going anywhere. I got info that the Flames management were going to make a coaching change and so instead of just saying that and getting roasted again in case that info somehow changed I said I would be shocked if Sutter was back. Again, I got piled on and Gaudreau thrown in face and when I turned out to be right, where was anyone saying anything about that? Nope, just more piling on about the Gaudreau miss. My source had no leads for me in the coaching hire because he didn't know anything definitive, just what we all had heard. So I never once said who it will be, just who I would like to see. Sec's source had Love as the HC and he was wrong, it happens. Sources can get things wrong sometimes, or a team can pivot on something. When Sec has nicely shared his latest news everybody treats him like he is Elliot Friedman, nobody is throwing the fact Mitch Love is not the HC and that is great because it is valuable that he shares what he hears, even if it doesn't come to fruition. I share what I am hearing on Lindholm and what do I get? "Who is your source" Gaudreau V2.0" Just an absolute #### on by a community I try and share things with. So F it, I am out, my life is super crap right now and I don't need this. This is really my only interaction with a community I liked to enjoy but I am tired of being constantly crapped on here, life has already done that enough in the real world. I don't want to argue anymore, or fight anymore, or actually do anything anymore. F it.

I’m not trying to #### on you or anything. But most ppl with insider info will confirm their source with a mod, or at the very least say a bit about the v source Ie. A friend of mine who works closely with the Flames.

When you just say “I’m hearing x y z” I don’t know if you’re talking about hearing it as a rumour, or from somewhere legitimate.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I am fine with leaving Toffoli situation as is. Trade him at the deadline if you’re out of it, keep him if you’re in it.

Having guys play out their contract is not the worst thing. It just depends on the player. Well run franchises like Tampa don’t skip a beat when a player like Coleman leaves for a large contract. That is far better than overpaying for older players IMO

I'm inclined to agree with that strategy.. Toffoli is a deadline guy. Despite what the cost was to acquire him, you can risk losing him for nothing if they're pushing for playoffs.

But they'd have to have a firm date before the deadline to judge if that's the case. Not what we have seen in the past.

In my estimation, the Flames have to know if they're in or put at least a week before the TDL. That's how I would do it. Even if they were on the bubble.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by VilleN

I’m not trying to #### on you or anything. But most ppl with insider info will confirm their source with a mod, or at the very least say a bit about the v source Ie. A friend of mine who works closely with the Flames.

When you just say “I’m hearing x y z” I don’t know if you’re talking about hearing it as a rumour, or from somewhere legitimate.

At that point, it's also fair to those posters to have Mods publicly back up that the info is coming from a realistic source so that others don't roast those who are sharing info too harshly.

And AFAIK, that's gone by the wayside recently.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by indes

Excuse me Trent. We're going to need to see some proof that you and you're opinions/ideas are real before you just jump in all willy nilly as if this was a message board about a sports team. You know what, actually, you're not even welcome here anymore and THAT GOES FOR ANYONE ELSE WHO'S POSTING INFORMATION THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRUE AND/OR HAS NOT BEEN VETTED FOR CONSUMPTION BY VILLEN.

My response was 2 sentences. Your imagination is doing a lot of the heavy lifting here.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I love the mod verifications. It increases the excitement around rumors, and makes this place feel more legitimate and not just the anarchy that is hf, where 14 year olds with unrealistic imaginations have a platform.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by VilleN

I’m not trying to #### on you or anything. But most ppl with insider info will confirm their source with a mod, or at the very least say a bit about the v source Ie. A friend of mine who works closely with the Flames.

When you just say “I’m hearing x y z” I don’t know if you’re talking about hearing it as a rumour, or from somewhere legitimate.

That's fine, you can choose not to believe it or not but I am not providing my sources info. I am not even sure how a mod verification would work, if I reveal that info to a mod he would have to contact that source to verify it and that would make my relationship with that person finished I would imagine. Go listen to any insider podcast like Friedman, LeBraun, etc.. and when they talk about what they have heard they don't reveal their sources because that would be the end of their careers, nobody wants their name out there. They say "I am hearing....". So if I post something feel free to take it with a grain of salt, sources can be wrong sometimes. Regardless talking trade rumours and speculating should be fun.

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That's fine, you can choose not to believe it or not but I am not providing my sources info. I am not even sure how a mod verification would work, if I reveal that info to a mod he would have to contact that source to verify it and that would make my relationship with that person finished I would imagine. Go listen to any insider podcast like Friedman, LeBraun, etc.. and when they talk about what they have heard they don't reveal their sources because that would be the end of their careers, nobody wants their name out there. They say "I am hearing....". So if I post something feel free to take it with a grain of salt, sources can be wrong sometimes. Regardless talking trade rumours and speculating should be fun.

Any new news on your end? I chose to believe the rumors you bring to the table and appreciate the news.