Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[photon]

I'd even be ok with requiring all patients, visitors, etc to wear surgical masks and NOT require it of nurses/staff since surgical type masks work best protecting others.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Firebot

See above

Read the fricking articles. Does everything need to be spoon-fed in this echo chamber?

I understand that you feel vindicated, but what is with the hostility?

[Scornfire]

Originally Posted by Firebot

See above

Read the fricking articles. Does everything need to be spoon-fed in this echo chamber?

The quote you presented originally after claiming the union expressly asked for it (and then walking back on that claim in the same post) is the one people are rightly mocking for you presenting as evidence, and the more recent one still isn't indicative of it being the "wishes" of the Union on the whole/as a majority to have it lifted

[looooob]

many I guess don't really love wearing masks all day but were also happy (or at least willing to do so) , and have done it now for 3 + years


without getting into details though, to be honest there are many types of clinical encounters where- if it were considered on the whole to be safe- interacting and or seeing the faces and facial expressions of a patient and their families (and by extension those of the clinicians) has value- I think this will be mostly be a welcome return


the trickier thing will be pivoting back if circumstances dictate

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by looooob

many I guess don't really love wearing masks all day but were also happy (or at least willing to do so) , and have done it now for 3 + years


without getting into details though, to be honest there are many types of clinical encounters where- if it were considered on the whole to be safe- interacting and or seeing the faces and facial expressions of a patient and their families (and by extension those of the clinicians) has value- I think this will be mostly be a welcome return


the trickier thing will be pivoting back if circumstances dicatate

There is zero chance of pivoting back on anything, and no facts or reality would change that. Smith would never put a mask mandate in. Even if she wanted to(which she never would), she'd be skinned by the party.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Firebot

It's in the link?

Whether we argue that the recent statement is an acceptance that it will go away, or that it was a statement based on nurses wishes, really is moot. It's fair to state that continuous masking was never going to be permanent and it's been accepted by the union.

There will always be a number of people who would rather side on cautious, sometimes overly cautious. Sentiment seems to be the majority is well past it including seemingly within the union itself.

Doubling down?

There’s really no indication that these were the wishes of the majority of Union members.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Scornfire

The quote you presented originally after claiming the union expressly asked for it (and then walking back on that claim in the same post) is the one people are rightly mocking for you presenting as evidence, and the more recent one still isn't indicative of it being the "wishes" of the Union on the whole/as a majority to have it lifted

"Oops I guess I am dead wrong since I didn't read but I don't like being wrong so I will backpaddle a bit but still continue to argue purely on my own semantics"

Is that the gist of your post?

I didn't walk back on anything. Posts like yours that go after posts that don't conform to the echo chamber is the reason why I need to preemptively diffuse predictable counter-arguments. This is an echo chamber after all and I can't outtype an echo chamber (I'm sure as I am posting this several posters have typed away and started high fiving each other).

The president of the union is quoted stating that some nurses have mask fatigue and welcome the change and yet you still have some like you trying to contort it simply because you refuse to accept.

I don't quote full articles. Your failure to read the article is on you only.

[Cain]

I also vote to move towards nordic "not socialist" policies.


I didn't realize it was that easy to re-brand things in a more palatable light for some of our more discerning posters. Next up, lets find better names for climate change/renewable energy as well as vaccines/preventative health care and think about how much we could accomplish together without any division!

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by zamler

What? I drive a Tesla and own a few classic Toyota's. What do you drive?

Who cares about his avatar, what he's done to apostrophes is the real travesty.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Do you have a source on that? I’m not saying it’s not true I honestly just haven’t heard anything about that.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Making up that it was the union’s wishes and then, when asked if you have a source, saying it “really is moot” is corny. You could just say you made it up.

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Spoken with such confidence. This seems a lot more like the policy is being told to them, and they aren't sure it's a good idea.

Nurses union certainly seems supportive of the decision. Or at least they are not opposed.


"According to Smith, some health-care workers have begun to experience "mask fatigue" after three years of pandemic restrictions.

"For some, I think that there is a level of fatigue and they welcome [the change], particularly if their point of care assessment would say they are not at risk and their patients are not at risk," she said."

[GGG]

Firebit could end this nonsense if he would just admit his original claim was not backed up by the article. There is no evidence that this is the “wishes of the nurses union”. There certainly is evidence that the nurses union is not opposed to the decision and some union members support the decision. Then we could get onto discussing the more interesting point

What should masking policies be and the other more interesting quotes in the article.



https://calgary.citynews.ca/2023/06/...in-facilities/

In this article they bring up the AHS policies around risk assessment for ppe which makes a lot of sense. Staff should wear masks based on risk assessment and staff is trained based on these procedures.

However these policies and procedures don’t apply to the public. I think it would be perfectly reasonable for people who are coming to access hospital services mask up. So let the staff make informed decisions but the general public does not have this expertise to assess if they are at risk of infecting others therefore independent of covid patient masking and hand sanitizing at entry are both likely good requirements. No part of this decision seems to contemplate this distinction.

[Scornfire]

Originally Posted by Firebot

"Oops I guess I am dead wrong since I didn't read but I don't like being wrong so I will backpaddle a bit but still continue to argue purely on my own semantics"

Is that the gist of your post?

I didn't walk back on anything. Posts like yours that go after posts that don't conform to the echo chamber is the reason why I need to preemptively diffuse predictable counter-arguments. This is an echo chamber after all and I can't outtype an echo chamber (I'm sure as I am posting this several posters have typed away and started high fiving each other).

The president of the union is quoted stating that some nurses have mask fatigue and welcome the change and yet you still have some like you trying to contort it simply because you refuse to accept.

I don't quote full articles. Your failure to read the article is on you only.

When you present a specific quote as direct evidence in support of your claim, that quote will naturally be what people reference in their response to you. What part of that confuses you?

[Leeman4Gilmour]

I'm beginning to believe some outrage (or, if you object to he word outrage, substitute 'concern') on this site is feigned. In the real world, upon hearing this news, most people say "cool". Also, wear a mask, don't wear a mask, very few people care nowadays. Maybe my real world is way different than some people. If so, now you're aware of this alternate reality.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Egg in your face? Will the usual partisan 'non-partisan' posters who thanked your post thank this post? Of course not. The echo chamber must live on.

Ridiculous drivel.

Why do you throw a temper tantrum every time you embarrass yourself? Do you think it’s effective cover, or are you just too emotionally unstable able to interact normally with other adults?

Nothing you’ve pointed at indicates that it was the wishes of the union. If you had said, “some member are tired of masking in some instances” then absolutely, that’s what the quotes suggest, but you can’t just make stuff up and pretend words mean whatever you say they mean lol. That’s why you get made fun of so often. Lighten up and take the L.

I’m not “triggered” by the last name “Smith,” because unlike you, I actually read the article and understood what was written before posting. Try it sometime instead of ranting about “the echo chamber” like a Facebook boomer.

Originally Posted by Lubicon

Nurses union certainly seems supportive of the decision. Or at least they are not opposed.

"According to Smith, some health-care workers have begun to experience "mask fatigue" after three years of pandemic restrictions.

"For some, I think that there is a level of fatigue and they welcome [the change], particularly if their point of care assessment would say they are not at risk and their patients are not at risk," she said."

I’m sure nurses are tired of masking the entire day, especially in situations where masks clearly provide no benefit. I don’t think that particularly correlates to them wanting every single member of the public to go mask-free in the hospital.

You ever been to an emergency room? Pretty gross.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

I'm beginning to believe some outrage (or, if you object to he word outrage, substitute 'concern') on this site is feigned. In the real world, upon hearing this news, most people say "cool". Also, wear a mask, don't wear a mask, very few people care nowadays. Maybe my real world is way different than some people. If so, now you're aware of this alternate reality.

It’s not feigned. People who post in these sorts of threads aren’t anywhere close to being representative of the wider public.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by zamler

What? I drive a Tesla and own a few classic Toyota's. What do you drive?

That's the first time anyone has ever used classic and Toyota in a sentence together.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

That's the first time anyone has ever used classic and Toyota in a sentence together.

Is the Supra a classic at this point? Old school Land Cruisers? Or is it Land Cruiser's?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Is the Supra a classic at this point? Old school Land Cruisers? Or is it Land Cruiser's?

NSFW!

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

That's the first time anyone has ever used classic and Toyota in a sentence together.

Toyota Landcruiser. I own a 1968 FJ40, you heathen.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

That's the first time anyone has ever used classic and Toyota in a sentence together.

You should get out more, I mean literally like to a few car meets. Pretty much any RWD Toyota is a classic some more than others.