2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Landeskog is out for another year. Cap is projecting to go up quite a bit for 2024-25. If it's a choice between the two, I'd trade Kadri to Colorado and sign Lindholm.

[868904]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

When signing Kadri, how did Treliving not contemplate and factor in this type of contract for Lindholm coming down the pike?

It basically was a choice between Kadri or Lindholm at these prices.

He chose paying a 32 year 2nd line center $7mm a year vs paying a 29 year old 1st line center $8.5mm a year.

I think it’s pretty obvious what was going through Treliving mind:

1) he was going for the Cup, thought he had the roster, the goaltending, the centre depth, the defence, the coach;

2) I think he knew he was leaving. Win or lose, he was going elsewhere and he had his eye on the Leafs job, his dads favourite team. They had the connections and it is the biggest job in the league. Everything worked out exactly as planned.

In my mind, there is no way Treliving was coming back. Even if the Flames had succes this year and won the cup, he was leaving, he wasn’t going to wait for Huberdeau and Kadri to become anchors on the team. When they became abhors immediately, AND he had an easy scapegoat in Darryl, it was an easy decision to jump ship. His brand was still good as evident by how quickly he got picked up. If he re-signed with the Flames, his brand would take a hit each year as those big contracts look worse and worse.

[868904]

I don’t think the Flames are winning the Cup with Huberdeau around so I’m all good for a rebuild/retool. I trade all of the ufa guys for picks and prospects to Western Conference teams to strengthen them to ensure they beat the Oilers. Trade Backlund, Kadri or Lindholm to the Avs or Minny, trade Toffoli to the Kings or Dallas, trade Hanifin to the Kings.

If we can’t win the Cup, make it as hard as possible for the Oilers to win during the last few years of their window.

[Monahammer]

If we can unload the Kadri contract, it would make the franchise much healthier. It would also be a more firm departure from the last regime, even though Kadri has only been in for a season. We need less contracts like that.

Personally I would ship out Kadri and Lindy, especially because Lindy seems to be motivated by $ this time around. Understandable, but we need to build something different here to compete.

Kadri is the priority to leave though. IMO if there's any chance he can be responsibly traded, it has to be done. Kadri for Newhook straight up is a dream I am holding on to.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You don't know how much pressure/direction from ownership he was under to win at all costs?

People are already forgetting the atmosphere of shock and despair surrounding this franchise after the departures of Gaudreau and Tkachuk. The Flames were under a black cloud. There was anxiety about the very viability of this market in the NHL. And this at a time when negotiations were still going on to get an arena built.

It was ####ing far from business as usual. I have no doubt CSEC tasked Treliving with doing everything he could to immediately restore the credibility of the Flames as a Cup contender and destination for star players. All of the choices made that summer - from the decision to go with the Panthers’ offer for Tkachuk instead of the Hurricane’s futures-based offer, to the signing of Kadri, and the extensions signed with Huberdeau and Weegar - need to be appraised in that light.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

People are already forgetting the atmosphere of shock and despair surrounding this franchise after the departures of Gaudreau and Tkachuk. The Flames were under a black cloud. There was anxiety about the very viability of this market in the NHL. And this at a time when negotiations were still going on to get an arena built.

It was ####ing far from business as usual. I have no doubt CSEC tasked Treliving with doing everything he could to immediately restore the credibility of the Flames as a Cup contender and destination for star players. All of the choices made that summer - from the decision to go with the Panthers’ offer for Tkachuk instead of the Hurricane’s futures-based offer, to the signing of Kadri, and the extensions signed with Huberdeau and Weegar - need to be appraised in that light.

It was definitely a knee jerk reaction to loosing two star players. As you mentioned to try and restore the image of Calgary as a desirable and competitive market. Wether that was Brad, ownership or biths decision we will never know.

If you can dump Kadri to the avs for futures you do it.

The team can afford both lindholm and Hanifin extensions but they'll be pretty bare bones. That would mean almost none of the other 2024 UFAs are returning outside of maybe one or two like kylington.

Either way there is big change it just depends how much, who and if the flames will actually get ahead of it.

[dammage79]

Key players looking to want put will force the Flames to do a hard re tool.

It won't be a rebuild, we have strong young pieces to build with and some good vets.
If conny plays it right with the trades, it won't hurt and could take less time than normal.

Plus I'm certain ownership is still putting pressure on to keep the team in the playoffs mindset. So a total scorched earth rebuild won't happen.

But a deftly navigated re tool on the fly is totally in the cards. And that starts with drafting.

So in my mind, the priority acquisition targets are
1. High draft capital
2. Young RFAs or ELC players with tip pairing and top six fw upside
3. Mid 20s players.

While we look at what's leaving we forget what's staying. We still have a strong crop of young talent looking for higher up opportunities in Zary, Pelletier, Coronato, Ruzicka. Which I think is as strong a start to a new core as anyone could ask for. And let's not forget the Wolf.

It can be done, and it can be exciting.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by blankall

Lindholm had 64 points last year, tied for 80th with Killorn, Trochek, Dunn, etc.... He's had one ppg season in his career, and that was riding shotgun to gaudreau and Tkachuk. Lindholm gets a boost for being a defensively solid center, but that kind of money is absurd for Lindholm.

Elias Lindholm was 144th in the NHL among forwards in even strength ice time.
Elias Lindholm was tied for 8th among forwards (with Dube) in even strength ice time for the Flames.
Elias Lindholm's two most common linemates previously had career highs in points of 58, and 32 points.
Elias Lindholm had shot at a 16.13% clip the previous four seasons in Calgary, and managed just an 11.18% rate this past season

The fact of the matter here is that Lindholm was being deployed as a lower end second liner at even strength by Darryl Sutter with two players who have never sniffed top line production for any consistent period of time, yet despite all of that, he still finished the season with 64 points, while continuing to drive play at an elite level. What exactly were people expecting?

I also find the "Gaudreau" argument so ridiculous - considering Johhny has never hit anywhere near his career highs without Lindholm on his line. Great hockey players make those around them significantly better and that's exactly what Lindholm does.

[dammage79]

Without each other none of Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm and Tkachuk get to where they ended up production wise.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Without each other none of Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm and Tkachuk get to where they ended up production wise.

One guy did.

[Blaster86]

Posters in here liking posts that say: Elias Lindholm is a #1 center that people have career years with! He's going to get a haul! 1st round picks! Elite prospects! NHL Ready sub 24 yo players with upside! The moon!

Some of those same posters in here: There is absolutely zero chance I am paying Elias Lindholm 1st line center money if he wants to re-sign here! He's not worth that! He needs to take a discount!

Ya'll are wild.


Edit - Semantics changed to make people happy.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Posters in here: Elias Lindholm is a #1 center that people have career years with! He's going to get a haul! 1st round picks! Elite prospects! NHL Ready sub 24 yo players with upside! The moon!

Some of those same posters in here: There is absolutely zero chance I am paying Elias Lindholm 1st line center money if he wants to re-sign here! He's not worth that! He needs to take a discount!

Ya'll are wild.

Is this serious? I know you are not a flames fan but posting on here as much as you do you would have a pulse on the team.

The Flames have given 8 year deals to 2 30 year olds and have a guy turning 33 with 6 years left. They are the 3 highest paid players on the team and the 4th is our 33 year old goalie.

The Flames have paid their old guys already and can’t add another 8 year deal at top money to a guy who will be 30 in year 1 of the extension that is the fact. If they find a way to move Kadri without crazy retention or giving up a ton of picks then I think this fanbase would be all for extending Lindholm.

The fact is this team is getting older and upfront there is a pretty big gap of 23-27 year old forwards. We have some young guys who might be good and some older guys who were/are good. This team needs to retool or will be forced to rebuild so they can’t lock up more aging players for several years past their respective primes.

Just try to think a little bit critically and look at the whole situation and not just the player in a silo.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Posters in here: Elias Lindholm is a #1 center that people have career years with! He's going to get a haul! 1st round picks! Elite prospects! NHL Ready sub 24 yo players with upside! The moon!

Some of those same posters in here: There is absolutely zero chance I am paying Elias Lindholm 1st line center money if he wants to re-sign here! He's not worth that! He needs to take a discount!

Ya'll are wild.

Being a Canucks fan, that's wild.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Big Lindholm fan, but if he is looking for 9+, the Flames need to move on. Target a mid 1st (Detroit, St. L, Nashville) and perhaps add a younger C to help plug in.
The Flames can't wish the cap issues away. They need to move some salary out, and can do so for hopefully a great return.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Posters in here: Elias Lindholm is a #1 center that people have career years with! He's going to get a haul! 1st round picks! Elite prospects! NHL Ready sub 24 yo players with upside! The moon!

Some of those same posters in here: There is absolutely zero chance I am paying Elias Lindholm 1st line center money if he wants to re-sign here! He's not worth that! He needs to take a discount!

Ya'll are wild.

Not every player who has value is getting $9.5 million/year. In fact, having a fair, or even bargain contract, increases a player's value.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Big Lindholm fan, but if he is looking for 9+, the Flames need to move on.

I think he wants 9 million from the Flames. He knows he can get 8.5 from other teams just like Horvat did.

[Flames1217]

Kadri could easily be moved if you retain 1.5 million on his deal.

Problem is convincing ownership that retaining 9 million is a good idea.

We could even get back solid value like Olausson from Colorado with the move.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

.We have some young guys who might be good

Do we?

We have Wolf (should be starting 41 games for them next year).

Since 2016, Flames 1st round picks who aren’t Matthew Tkachuk have combined to score… 10 goals.

I like Zary - I have hopes of him being Backlund’s heir apparent. Prototypical hockey player size - 6 ft 180.

Coronato, I won’t pretend I know anything about him - they seem to think he can be a regular, and if he can play centre, that’s a good surprise.

Pelletier… Darryl did a piss poor job managing him, but he’s undersized and so far has been underwhelming. He’s never had one of “those” camps where he makes someone’s decision difficult, and it’s about to be four years since he was drafted.

I think Poirier will play, when is anyone’s guess, as is the impact he’ll have.

They have nobody coming with star potential - your mileage with that statement may vary depending on how you view Coronato, but even if he’s a 1st line player, I see him topping out as a secondary 1st liner rather than Iggy or Johnny.

New blood. They need so much new blood.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Is this serious? I know you are not a flames fan but posting on here as much as you do you would have a pulse on the team.

The Flames have given 8 year deals to 2 30 year olds and have a guy turning 33 with 6 years left. They are the 3 highest paid players on the team and the 4th is our 33 year old goalie.

The Flames have paid their old guys already and can’t add another 8 year deal at top money to a guy who will be 30 in year 1 of the extension that is the fact. If they find a way to move Kadri without crazy retention or giving up a ton of picks then I think this fanbase would be all for extending Lindholm.

The fact is this team is getting older and upfront there is a pretty big gap of 23-27 year old forwards. We have some young guys who might be good and some older guys who were/are good. This team needs to retool or will be forced to rebuild so they can’t lock up more aging players for several years past their respective primes.

Just try to think a little bit critically and look at the whole situation and not just the player in a silo.

I never said that the Flames SHOULD sign Lindholm to that contract. I am saying it's hilarious to say other teams should give an unrealistic absolute ####ing haul for Lindholm because of how good he is in one breath and then that the Flames should not pay him like that if they want to re-sign him. Multiple posters out right saying "He's not worth that" while also agreeing he should get trade value similar to someone like Jack Eichel.

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Being a Canucks fan, that's wild.

Only in seasons we lose the cup finals.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Kadri could easily be moved if you retain 1.5 million on his deal.

Problem is convincing ownership that retaining 9 million is a good idea.

We could even get back solid value like Olausson from Colorado with the move.

Tell them it’s a tool available to them, collectively bargained for in the CBA, and that YOU (Conroy) didn’t sign Kadri to this asinine deal and never would’ve if you’d been in charge 13 months ago.

Worth a shot.