[Rumour] LeBrun: All signs point to Hanifin not wanting to extend with Flames

[Ashes]

My dream scenario would be to trade Hanifin for a 2023 1st round pick, (somewhere 12-16) like Pittsburgh, then use that pick on Reinbacher or Pellikka assuming one of them is available, then give Kylington those Hanifin minutes this season.

Down the line, you're looking at a D core of

Weegar - Andersson
Kylington - Reinbacher/Pellikka

Picking twice in the first half of the 1st round would set the organization up very nicely assuming the picks turn into the gems we're all hoping for.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Ashes

My dream scenario would be to trade Hanifin for a 2023 1st round pick, (somewhere 12-16) like Pittsburgh, then use that pick on Reinbacher or Pellikka assuming one of them is available, then give Kylington those Hanifin minutes this season.

Down the line, you're looking at a D core of

Weegar - Andersson
Kylington - Reinbacher/Pellikka

Picking twice in the first half of the 1st round would set the organization up very nicely assuming the picks turn into the gems we're all hoping for.

and I think you get more than that for Hanifin. I think you get at least a mid-1st + 2nd + 2nd in value.

If it's moving towards Noah not being here longterm, we're going to get good value from him.

[CroFlames]

I love Hanifin. I would extend him for big money. He's the right age and a great defenseman.

But if doesn't want to be here, then you ####ing trade him.

Don't end up losing him for nothing like the Johnny situation.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Having Kylington in the top 4 in 21/22 was not questionable at all. Give the guy credit, he was fantastic.

I feel like there's a weird judgement of defencemen by some fans sometimes. I feel like there's an expectation that if you aren't Robyn Regehr, you're bad defensively and can't be played.

Brodie was slammed.

Weegar was slammed.

Kylington doesn't get the credit he deserves.

Preach!

Kylington was just as an important a cog in that 21/22 season as anybody else. He covered up a ton of blunders , while making some of his own. But.....BUT! That was his 1st full season and put up a rock solid 31 points and a +34!! Yeah yeah +/- will be an easily dismissed stat but he was so so good.

Guy deserve some credit like you said.

Lately Flames fans have been far too deep cutting on their critiques. Relax everyone.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I love Hanifin. I would extend him for big money. He's the right age and a great defenseman.

But if doesn't want to be here, then you ####ing trade him.

Don't end up losing him for nothing like the Johnny situation.

Connys comments with Steinberg today all but confirmed for me that he's not letting anyone stay beyond the draft if they aren't signing. He said draft day was when they needed to have it all figured.

Conny will absolutely not screw this up. I think he's a lot more in tuned with what we for the most part are saying.

[dammage79]

As for Hanifin. Yeah, he's going to get a good haul. I'm eager to see what that looks like if in fact Friedman is correct.


One team I think that could be a sneaky dark horse here is Seattle. Especially when it come to two former canes.....

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

and I think you get more than that for Hanifin. I think you get at least a mid-1st + 2nd + 2nd in value.

If that's the kind of deal on the table I hope Conroy goes for it, I'd be ecstatic to load up on picks this year.

12. Arizona
13. Buffalo
14. Pittsburgh
15. Nashville
16. Calgary
17. Detroit

I think out of that list, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, and Detroit seem to me like the most likely teams that could entertain parting with their 1st for Hanifin. Leaving the draft with one of the top D and any of the available FW in that range would be a home run.

[GioforPM]

Pittsburgh is interesting. They shouldn't be acquiring players. But they almost have to with 2 more years of Sid (plus probably an extension) and 3 more years of Malkin that they just signed.

I wonder if, aside from the picks you can get, whether they'd want to trade Granlund which gives the Flames some roome to trade, say, Backlund.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

on the 32 thoughts podcast Friedman says there is a ton of interest in Hanifin and he thinks Calgary will be able to make a good trade

Of course there's a ton of interest in Hanifin. He's a top defenceman on every team.

But some on CP know better

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Of course there's a ton of interest in Hanifin. He's a top defenceman on every team.

But some on CP know better

He’s actually a #4/5 and Kylington is totes better

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Ashes

If that's the kind of deal on the table I hope Conroy goes for it, I'd be ecstatic to load up on picks this year.

12. Arizona
13. Buffalo
14. Pittsburgh
15. Nashville
16. Calgary
17. Detroit

I think out of that list, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, and Detroit seem to me like the most likely teams that could entertain parting with their 1st for Hanifin. Leaving the draft with one of the top D and any of the available FW in that range would be a home run.

If we want to maximize our return I think giving the other team permissio t talk to Hanifin is the best way to go. Not sure if Buffalo would be a team that Hanifin would sign with but I do think Washington, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Buffalo, Nashville would all be willing to trade for him.

I think Washington would almost be the perfect fit as they could use a dman and have cap space.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dammage79

As for Hanifin. Yeah, he's going to get a good haul. I'm eager to see what that looks like if in fact Friedman is correct.


One team I think that could be a sneaky dark horse here is Seattle. Especially when it come to two former canes.....

Seattle could be a player for Hanifin for sure I think.

Francis drafted him 5th Overall, and wasn't the one who traded him as he was let go before that.

Have 20th OV and 3 seconds this year. Wright, Evans, Firkus, and Goyette as decent picks from prior years.

Doubt (no chance) you'd get Wright but might be able to get some other good pieces.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not sure I would want Wright either.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Seattle could be a player for Hanifin for sure I think.

Francis drafted him 5th Overall, and wasn't the one who traded him as he was let go before that.

Have 20th OV and 3 seconds this year. Wright, Evans, Firkus, and Goyette as decent picks from prior years.

Doubt (no chance) you'd get Wright but might be able to get some other good pieces.

I don't know if Wright would be off the table. He's been a mixed bag for them. Francis has come out in defense of him, but I always get the old "kiss of death" with things like that.

Maybe he goes in on Lindholm to Pad Beniers

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah Seattle could be interested in either guy due to the history with Francis.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Connys comments with Steinberg today all but confirmed for me that he's not letting anyone stay beyond the draft if they aren't signing. He said draft day was when they needed to have it all figured.

Conny will absolutely not screw this up. I think he's a lot more in tuned with what we for the most part are saying.

Haven't listened to this yet - excited to give it a listen!

Originally Posted by activeStick

Of course there's a ton of interest in Hanifin. He's a top defenceman on every team.

But some on CP know better

Yeah this is my thing with Noah - he's good. If it's not trending towards him being here long-term - we'll get a great return, and that's also good. I feel the same way on Lindy (and Toffoli). So long as Connie sticks to what he said when he got announced, there's no negativity here in my eyes.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I don't know if Wright would be off the table. He's been a mixed bag for them. Francis has come out in defense of him, but I always get the old "kiss of death" with things like that.

Maybe he goes in on Lindholm to Pad Beniers

I think his struggles were overblown TBH.

37 points in his 20 OHL games was good. As were 6 points in 8 AHL games.

His AHL playoff stats don't look amazing but I haven't looked to see what type of icetime he's had or what role he's playing.

If he's on the table for Hanifin I'd do that for sure.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I don't know if Wright would be off the table. He's been a mixed bag for them. Francis has come out in defense of him, but I always get the old "kiss of death" with things like that.

Maybe he goes in on Lindholm to Pad Beniers

We will never know but if Seattle had a top 3 pick, would they have passed on Wright too? They could have been disappointed he slipped and they could have picked him simply because they did not like the guys after 4 as much as the guys that went top 3.

I wouldn't be shocked if they traded him too.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Connys comments with Steinberg today all but confirmed for me that he's not letting anyone stay beyond the draft if they aren't signing. He said draft day was when they needed to have it all figured.

Conny will absolutely not screw this up. I think he's a lot more in tuned with what we for the most part are saying.

While I expect Connie needs to know before the draft what players intentions are, I fully expect some of the players who are not signing to be traded after the draft.

I assume many teams will be reluctant to trade 2023 picks, and it’s possible those teams may miss out. But I think the market for our top players like Lindholm and Hanifin will be better post-draft, if required.

Everyone pretty much is in a cap crunch, and getting a player in this draft that can possibly play this year or even next year may be too hard to pass up on.

But like with all things, time will tell.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

While I expect Connie needs to know before the draft what players intentions are, I fully expect some of the players who are not signing to be traded after the draft.

I assume many teams will be reluctant to trade 2023 picks, and it’s possible those teams may miss out. But I think the market for our top players like Lindholm and Hanifin will be better post-draft, if required.

Everyone pretty much is in a cap crunch, and getting a player in this draft that can possibly play this year or even next year may be too hard to pass up on.

But like with all things, time will tell.

Historically the return is always the best at the draft.

The other thing the Flames need to do is being open to take a contract back.

For example let's say Detroit is really interesting in Hanifin, and would move 9th overall. But need the Flames to take $3M of Olli Matta to do so...then 100% the Flames should do that.

You can help teams alleviate the cap crunch by taking a player for them, and generally you open up the market and get a better return if you're willing to do that.