2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[bax]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

PLD was an embarrassment shortly before being traded from Columbus.
He's a great player, but I don't want someone who puts forth efforts like that, at any time, on the Flames.

Kadri was bad enough this season in that regard. Yet nowhere near as pouty as Dubois was at the end of his time in Columbus.

I don’t think PLD is realistic in anyway. It seems like he wants to be in a bigger spotlight after spending his career in Columbus and Winnipeg, but I disagree with your thought process entirely.

You wouldn’t want a 6’2, 25 year old center than can skate, hit, put up 60-65 points and play solid defense?

All because he made a mistake when he was 21 years old while getting ridiculed by an old dinosaur of coach?

Calgary fans need to lose this mentality, we’re not exactly a destination for players. We would be lucky is PLD wanted to come play here.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Huberdeau wasn't signing in Calgary either

Because his rights were owned by another team?

PLD is intriguing but this team has committed too much financially to players who have never played a game for the club and he seems like a guy who would only stay here if the Flames blew him away with a massive contract offer. We have enough of those on the roster already.

[bax]

Originally Posted by VilleN

I wouldn't want PLD even if he wanted to play here. He's lazy, selfish, and seems to be ungrateful being a millionaire NHL player. He's not leading a team anywhere - his behaviour is a cancer, and I think we've all seen similar people in our workplaces - that attitude can be infectious.

Can you provide some examples other than his one bad shift under Tortarella that support this claim? Cancer, really?

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don't get the appeal in chasing known quantities. I think this team needs to stop paying premiums for known quantities, and start focusing on building the next wave of them.

Especially if that known quantity has a history of red flags like PLD does

[bax]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Especially if that known quantity has a history of red flags like PLD does

These narratives are just so lazy though. People said they same thing about Kadri, O’Rielly, Eichel, etc

[Vinny01]

I wonder how many players take the path Tkachuk did with the Flames? We already have Dubois and Debrincat doing the same thing and basically will get the pick their spot and get their 8 year deal with a team of choice and their current team doesn’t lose them for nothing. Unfortunately the similarities outside of being from the 2016 draft class is these guys are all forcing their way out of Canadian markets. There is always a chance Dubois forces his way to another Canadian market but Debrincat is almost certainly heading home to the States.

I think this is why it was important that the Habs pushed hard for the 8 year term with Caufield. Lebrun wrote about it on the Athletic and how the Flames losing Tkachuk after the bridge made it extremely important for the Habs to max out the term with Caufield.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I wonder how many players take the path Tkachuk did with the Flames? We already have Dubois and Debrincat doing the same thing and basically will get the pick their spot and get their 8 year deal with a team of choice and their current team doesn’t lose them for nothing. Unfortunately the similarities outside of being from the 2016 draft class is these guys are all forcing their way out of Canadian markets. There is always a chance Dubois forces his way to another Canadian market but Debrincat is almost certainly heading home to the States.

I think this is why it was important that the Habs pushed hard for the 8 year term with Caufield. Lebrun wrote about it on the Athletic and how the Flames losing Tkachuk after the bridge made it extremely important for the Habs to max out the term with Caufield.

Always Calgary being the guinea pigs as a “learning curve” for others.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Because his rights were owned by another team?

PLD is intriguing but this team has committed too much financially to players who have never played a game for the club and he seems like a guy who would only stay here if the Flames blew him away with a massive contract offer. We have enough of those on the roster already.

I don't even want him, just saying people shouldn't state these things as fact...like many did with Huberdeau

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I wonder how many players take the path Tkachuk did with the Flames? We already have Dubois and Debrincat doing the same thing and basically will get the pick their spot and get their 8 year deal with a team of choice and their current team doesn’t lose them for nothing. Unfortunately the similarities outside of being from the 2016 draft class is these guys are all forcing their way out of Canadian markets. There is always a chance Dubois forces his way to another Canadian market but Debrincat is almost certainly heading home to the States.

I think this is why it was important that the Habs pushed hard for the 8 year term with Caufield. Lebrun wrote about it on the Athletic and how the Flames losing Tkachuk after the bridge made it extremely important for the Habs to max out the term with Caufield.

I think that GMs will need to decide between term and the risk of a bridge. Bratt is doing it in New Jersey as well.

[GioforPM]

The thing about the bridge is that it is supposed to retain control for the team because you leave a year of RFA. But players and their agents figured out that if you make the QO high enough, you've basically eliminated that advantage.

[GhostCookie]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Depends on wether they view the window is now (4 year Babcock window) which I think some think is the case, or they continue the long play.

An extended Lindholm would make sense if they want to go with what they have now, bolster the TOP line and reunite the chemistry. I could see that being about the only play for the 3rd pick. I was hoping the idea maybe would have come up in the Marek show this morning but it didn’t, Friedman just kept emphasizing that picks that high never get traded and he’s not sure it make sense to unless the deal is really really good.

I think that deal could work, but it’s a long shot if anything, and with the 22nd gone there’s no real other way to make it work for Calgary, unless you want to get really silly and start including one of the top D prospects from Columbus and then Sillinger, 33rd and likely a Roslivic.

If I’m Calgary though, Lindholm has to return you a young stud C.

I'm skeptical they are willing to part with 3OA, but I do recognize that every team and GM has it's own unique set of pressures on them. For Columbus, they took the risk and gave Jonny all that money and then signed Laine for a few years as well. But it doesn't seem like Jenner can centre that line in a way that Jonny needs. Considering Jonny's +/- had a 97 point swing between this year and last year, it appears that what ails them in the immediate term is a solid 2 way centre that plays a 200 foot game. What other 1C is available to Columbus? At what cost? And do they already have proven chemistry with their top line, signed for 7 more years, left winger.

The truth is, is that if the teams roles were reversed, I know plenty of us would say don't trade the pick, but there would be just as many saying that we shouldn't be investing in magic beans over improving the signing we are stuck with. There is definitely pressure for CBJ to get winning now.

Like I said though, I am still skeptical of us getting a decent return for Lindholm. Hopefully he is up front with what he wants and is willing to do so we can plan accordingly.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I wonder how many players take the path Tkachuk did with the Flames? We already have Dubois and Debrincat doing the same thing and basically will get the pick their spot and get their 8 year deal with a team of choice and their current team doesn’t lose them for nothing. Unfortunately the similarities outside of being from the 2016 draft class is these guys are all forcing their way out of Canadian markets. There is always a chance Dubois forces his way to another Canadian market but Debrincat is almost certainly heading home to the States.

I think this is why it was important that the Habs pushed hard for the 8 year term with Caufield. Lebrun wrote about it on the Athletic and how the Flames losing Tkachuk after the bridge made it extremely important for the Habs to max out the term with Caufield.

I imagine most players getting drafted these days are being advised to maximize their leverage as early as possible in their career to either score a long term contract if they are content with and confident in the organization that drafts them, or to move to free agency and have their choice in destination as soon as possible. It's the sensible thing to do from a player perspective. Obviously not all players will have the same leverage and ability to dictate these kind of terms, but it's got to be the goal of most highly drafted, or highly successful post-draft, players.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The thing about the bridge is that it is supposed to retain control for the team because you leave a year of RFA. But players and their agents figured out that if you make the QO high enough, you've basically eliminated that advantage.

I truly believe Tkachuk wanted an 8-year deal, but Calgary didn't have the cap room to accomodate that deal.

So, Tkachuk said "OK, I'll take 3 years, but it needs to be structured to my advantage".

Likely same thing for Debrincat.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

I imagine most players getting drafted these days are being advised to maximize their leverage as early as possible in their career to either score a long term contract if they are content with and confident in the organization that drafts them, or to move to free agency and have their choice in destination as soon as possible. It's the sensible thing to do from a player perspective. Obviously not all players will have the same leverage and ability to dictate these kind of terms, but it's got to be the goal of most highly drafted, or highly successful post-draft, players.

For most players securing a long term deal early makes sense because the player is insulated in the case of injuries or drop in play. For elite players you can argue short term deals make more sense to ensure the player is always paid market value. Draisaitl in particular probably cost himself well over $10 million in career earnings by signing that 8 year contract with the Oilers as he's been underpaid for years so in some cases there can be a steep cost for long term security.

[CliffFletcher]

Apparently there might be a trend developing this season towards shorter deals, as a lot of agents think the cap will make a big jump in two years, and compensation for top players will jump with it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I truly believe Tkachuk wanted an 8-year deal, but Calgary didn't have the cap room to accomodate that deal.

So, Tkachuk said "OK, I'll take 3 years, but it needs to be structured to my advantage".

Likely same thing for Debrincat.

I think he wanted a 6 year deal, but otherwise yes. But I'd add that the discussion was likely that the 4 years he got paid him similar to what he'd be structred on a much longer deal, and that he could expect an 8 year deal offer at the end. Which sounded good to both sides at the time. Then three things happened. Covid travel restrictions which Tkachuk apparently hated, a couple bad years that might have soured him on the team, and then a phenomenal season points wise which gave him big time leverage.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Apparently there might be a trend developing this season towards shorter deals, as a lot of agents think the cap will make a big jump in two years, and compensation for top players will jump with it.

I read that if the players didn't want all their salary during Covid the Cap based on revenue for 23/24 would be 94-96 million.

I wonder if they try to smooth over the jumps over the years or take it all. You will see some ugly deals signed it happened in the NBA when they had a massive cap jump and teams signed the Timofy Mozgov's to giant deals for no reason but because they had to.

Fast forward 2 years later in 2018 a bunch of free agents sat around because the cap space was used on trash players and space was limited.

[Vinny01]

Eklund making up crap is at an all time high today claiming that 2 sources have told him the poorest franchise in the league Arizona is looking to acquire Huberdeau so the Flames can trade or sign a top 6 forward. That is garbage even for Eklund. Huberdeau is going to waive to play at mullet arena? The Coyotes will absorb an $84M contract? Very laughable.

I’m have read a couple of fanboy articles mentioning the Flames trying to get out of that deal and I just can’t see it for many reasons. This is about creating a better environment for Huberdeau to succeed and not dumping him for nothing or even worse paying a team to take him on

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Eklund making up crap is at an all time high today claiming that 2 sources have told him the poorest franchise in the league Arizona is looking to acquire Huberdeau so the Flames can trade or sign a top 6 forward. That is garbage even for Eklund. Huberdeau is going to waive to play at mullet arena? The Coyotes will absorb an $84M contract? Very laughable.

I’m have read a couple of fanboy articles mentioning the Flames trying to get out of that deal and I just can’t see it for many reasons. This is about creating a better environment for Huberdeau to succeed and not dumping him for nothing or even worse paying a team to take him on

I am pretty sure Eklund just lifted that idea from this recent THW piece that suggests the Flames could use Arizona to ditch the Huberdeau contract.

https://thehockeywriters.com/flames-...deau-contract/

The premise is that Huberdeau's NMC kicks in on July 1st so this might be the only time to ever trade him. They suggest the trade would be for prospects, swapping 1st rounders (16th for the 12th pick), plus a 3rd rounder.... because obviously a 3rd rounder would be needed to get a deal done.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by bax

I don’t think PLD is realistic in anyway. It seems like he wants to be in a bigger spotlight after spending his career in Columbus and Winnipeg, but I disagree with your thought process entirely.

You wouldn’t want a 6’2, 25 year old center than can skate, hit, put up 60-65 points and play solid defense?

All because he made a mistake when he was 21 years old while getting ridiculed by an old dinosaur of coach?

Calgary fans need to lose this mentality, we’re not exactly a destination for players. We would be lucky is PLD wanted to come play here.

I absolutely LOVE him as a player for the reasons you mentioned, but I think there's some legit red flags here. There's "the shift", but then he gets traded to the Jets, tells them he won't re-sign there, says he wants to sign with MTL which handcuffs the Jets, and now he won't even wait for his contract to expire. How many teams are going to line up to get this guy when he said he was going to sign with the Habs? Then there's all his antics on the ice, throwing hissy fits, and he can come across as a real DB in interviews.

I don't think he's the only cancer in the WPG locker room, but I don't think you can win with this guy in your group, just my opinion.