Christofascists seeking to seize our country

[habernac]

Originally Posted by jeffman

More like a push back to normal from all the woke crazies the last decade

Someone needs to explain to me why being woke is a bad thing. I’m all ears.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by habernac

Someone needs to explain to me why being woke is a bad thing. I’m all ears.

I still don't understand how conservatives keep telling me to "wake up".

Then get mad that I am woke.

Like.. didn't you just tell me to do that.

[you&me]

Originally Posted by belsarius

I still don't understand how conservatives keep telling me to "wake up".

Then get made that I am woke.

Like.. didn't you just tell me to do that.

To be fair, they probably don't want you to be "woke"... Maybe they'll be happy if you go back to sleep?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I mean, that's not a real word, so at minimum I think it would need a definition. Dictionary definition of fascists is:

"A fascist is someone who supports or promotes fascism—a system of government led by a dictator who typically rules by forcefully and often violently suppressing opposition and criticism, controlling all industry and commerce, and promoting nationalism and often racism."

The group you're referring to is trying to raise money to support/run candidates in elections and plans to use those candidates to promote their views on a variety of issues. That's literally the same as every political party/political group ever.

Are you suggesting they're planning to subvert democracy and install a dictatorship? Control all industry and commerce? Violently suppress opposition? None of those things are supported by the article/the groups internal documents obtained by CBC.

Because basically it sounds like there's a group of people whose ideas you disagree with who are planning to run candidates in elections that you've decided to label fascists.

It is, it was coined over 50 years ago:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_fascism


LOL. Like, is no one concerned what is happening in the US is not far off from happening here? We literally just saw a party strongly supported, and partially taken over by CFs get a transphobic MLA elected into government. Conservatives aren't concerned at all about weeding these people out of the party, and frankly, seem happy enoguh to support these people, even knowing how bigoted they are. Go ahead and tell me they kicked her out, just so I can bring it up in 2 weeks when she is welcomed back. I'll wait.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I mean, that's not a real word, so at minimum I think it would need a definition. Dictionary definition of fascists is:

"A fascist is someone who supports or promotes fascism—a system of government led by a dictator who typically rules by forcefully and often violently suppressing opposition and criticism, controlling all industry and commerce, and promoting nationalism and often racism."

The group you're referring to is trying to raise money to support/run candidates in elections and plans to use those candidates to promote their views on a variety of issues. That's literally the same as every political party/political group ever.

Are you suggesting they're planning to subvert democracy and install a dictatorship? Control all industry and commerce? Violently suppress opposition? None of those things are supported by the article/the groups internal documents obtained by CBC.

Because basically it sounds like there's a group of people whose ideas you disagree with who are planning to run candidates in elections that you've decided to label fascists.

I think Radical Christian Fundamentalists is probably a better descriptor.

Attempting to create a Christian Theocracy in much the same way as Iran is to Islam.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It is, it was coined over 50 years ago:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_fascism


LOL. Like, is no one concerned what is happening in the US is not far off from happening here? We literally just saw a party strongly supported, and partially taken over by CFs get a transphobic MLA elected into government. Cosnervatives aren't concerned at all about weeding these people out of the party, and frankly, seem happy enoguh to support these people, even knowing how bigoted they are. Go ahead and tell me they kicked her out, just so I can bring it up in 2 weeks when she is welcomed back. I'll wait.

No one wants the political division that's happening in the USA to occur here. That being said, most people in Canada are relatively centrist and realize that the problem in the USA isn't totally one sided.

The idea that we need to squash opposing views before they can even take hold or that Liberty Coalition Canada are "fascists" probably adds more fuel to the fire, as opposed to promoting moderation.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I am really keen to hear your definition of normal.

and woke

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by belsarius

I think Radical Christian Fundamentalists cuunts is probably a better descriptor.

Attempting to create a Christian Theocracy in much the same way as Iran is to Islam.

fixed

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by blankall

No one wants the political division that's happening in the USA to occur here. That being said, most people in Canada are relatively centrist and realize that the problem in the USA isn't totally one sided.

The idea that we need to squash opposing views before they can even take hold or that Liberty Coalition Canada are "fascists" probably adds more fuel to the fire, as opposed to promoting moderation.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1663698319959371777



Sure, yes, let's hear these people out. OK, I have, and these comments are hateful and disgusting, wrapped in a Jesus shroud. But nothing to worry about, because it could only get this bad in the States, right?...


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...-s-statehouses


Freedom...

[edslunch]

Groups of all different persuasions are and should be allowed to run candidates wherever they want, including far left, far right, religion-based, and neo-nazi, provided they aren't explicitly promoting hate or other illegal speech/actions. The public will decide if they want to vote for them or not.

What ought to be concerning is that groups with relatively radical views are organizing to control mainstream political parties, library boards, etc. They're doing it through legal democratic processes but it's under the radar for most people. The problem is a lack of organized pushback.

Case in point: Take Back Alberta. I suggest that instead of bemoaning this we should organize a CP jihad to vote against them at the next UCP AGM.

However, Take Back's biggest organizational feat was sending hundreds of believers to the UCP annual meeting last fall, all bent on electing TBA-supported directors to the party's provincial board.

The group swept all nine seats, to control half the party's influential board.

"That is a job that is only half done," Parker said months later in Grande Prairie. He explained that at the 2023 United Conservative AGM in Calgary, the other half of the provincial party board gets elected.

"So start saving up your money. We've got to go to Calgary and we have to finish this job."

He explained the rationale: "Leaders come and go, folks. We need to control the party. We need to control the party that's in power."

A board can reject candidates it's worried about, Parker explained (the UCP has done so with ones it fears controversial). It can even remove the party membership of any member, "including the leader."

This power is seldom wielded, but the current UCP leader did so this spring to punish a Take Back organizer.

Tim Hoven, whom the board blocked from challenging the UCP nomination of former cabinet minister Jason Nixon in Rimbey–Rocky Mountain House, has launched a run against him as an independent. And the board recently revoked his UCP membership, Hoven confirmed this week.

"It's pretty simple: if you're the one in the room making the decisions, you're the one in control," Parker said in an interview. He added that electing Take Back supporters to the rest of the board would help, because current UCP president Cynthia Moore "is very hostile to us, actively going around spouting NDP talking points" about the group.

What are their views?

Parker, the son of a rural Alberta preacher, has spoken at likely hundreds of events, mainly in rural Alberta. He's implored thousands of conservative-minded voters to be active in party politics and local affairs.

He also speaks of the stakes in dire terms. It's not just conservatives versus progressives, he told a seminar of more than 100 adherents in Grande Prairie.

"This is a war between the pro-humans and anti-humans," he said. Parker referred to abortion, and modern urban women's impulse to delay having children for their careers' sake.

He also argues that NDP and progressives want to depopulate society for the sake of the environment. "You are the carbon they are trying to reduce."

Albertans have no option but to stop the NDP, he told the Grande Prairie crowd.

"You can vote your way into socialism," Parker said. "You almost always have to shoot your way out."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...-ucp-1.6834387

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by bc-chris

saw the thread title... thought me and a bunch of other fascists were taking over


my first order of business... remove all things 'oilers' from the country

Fixed it for ya.

[timun]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I mean, that's not a real word, so at minimum I think it would need a definition. Dictionary definition of fascists is:

"A fascist is someone who supports or promotes fascism—a system of government led by a dictator who typically rules by forcefully and often violently suppressing opposition and criticism, controlling all industry and commerce, and promoting nationalism and often racism."

The group you're referring to is trying to raise money to support/run candidates in elections and plans to use those candidates to promote their views on a variety of issues. That's literally the same as every political party/political group ever.

Are you suggesting they're planning to subvert democracy and install a dictatorship? Control all industry and commerce? Violently suppress opposition? None of those things are supported by the article/the groups internal documents obtained by CBC.

Because basically it sounds like there's a group of people whose ideas you disagree with who are planning to run candidates in elections that you've decided to label fascists.

It's not just about "a group of people whose ideas you disagree with", don't be naïve. Quoting myself from "Alberta Votes 2023":

Originally Posted by timun

"Modern social conservatives" are fascists. I don't know why we pussyfoot around this anymore: they're fascists.

Umberto Eco's 14 essential characteristics of fascism:

1. The cult of tradition.
"One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements."

2. The rejection of modernism.
"The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism."

3. The cult of action for action's sake.
"Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation."

4. Disagreement is treason.
"The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge."

5. Fear of difference.
"The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition."

6. Appeal to social frustration.
"One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups."

7. The obsession with a plot.
"The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia."

8. The humiliation by the wealth and force of their enemies.
"By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak."

9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy.
"For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle."

10. Contempt for the weak.
"Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology."

11. Everybody is educated to become a hero.
"In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death."

12. Machismo and weaponry.
"Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."

13. Selective populism.
"There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People."

14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak.
"All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning."

These Christian political action groups follow all of these principles to one degree or another.

[OutOfTheCube]

Right right, the left-leaning party was defeated in another election by the right-wing one so it's another harbinger of the end of free society as we know it, etc. etc. Surprised it took a whole week to get a dedicated thread from one of the usuals.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by blankall

Is this something new? Hasn't the religious right always been heavily involved in politics and made every effort to have their guys in power.

IMO the difference is that these groups are feeling more empowered to say the 'quiet part' out loud, because it does not appear to be disqualifying for enough people anymore (maybe it never was)

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Right right, the left-leaning party was defeated in another election by the right-wing one so it's another harbinger of the end of free society as we know it, etc. etc. Surprised it took a whole week to get a dedicated thread from one of the usuals.

It was actually because a journalist wrote a story about it, which you can find in the first post.



I'm kind of amazed how naive/unconcerned some of you are about this, unless you welcome religious texts interpreted by people living in a fantasy world deciding what is right and wrong. It isn't even a hypothetical, we are watching it happen in real time down south.

[Itse]

At this point, any country who dismisses the more or less fascist political movements in their country are just fools.

Rise of fascism and the moderate right turning to far-right is the political story of the 21st century so far. (Which is exactly why you hear so much about "wokeism taking over".)

They're not movements you can beat without organized resistance.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

Firstly, it's not a conspiracy. It's an organized group with clearly stated intentions.

Secondly, would you be 'fine' with it, if instead of fundamentalist Christians, it was fundamentalist Muslims?

But the WEF are a conspiracy correct? just trying to figure out where the line is... Seems to me the line is if you are with the principle or not.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by Julio

Define "woke".

I'll do it for the op.

Woke : Anything op finds annoying. Woke.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It was actually because a journalist wrote a story about it, which you can find in the first post.



I'm kind of amazed how naive/unconcerned some of you are about this, unless you welcome religious texts interpreted by people living in a fantasy world deciding what is right and wrong. It isn't even a hypothetical, we are watching it happen in real time down south.

Right, an article called: "Inside the fundamentalist Christian movement that wants to remake Canadian politics"

Which you interpreted as: "Stop voting for political parties that allow [Christofascists seeking to seize our country] to have power (yes, that means the UCP and CPC)"

You can see how one is investigative journalism, and one is twisted to be sensational and fear-mongering. It's why a moderate person wouldn't take your post seriously.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Right, an article called: "Inside the fundamentalist Christian movement that wants to remake Canadian politics"

Which you interpreted as: "Stop voting for political parties that allow [Christofascists seeking to seize our country] to have power (yes, that means the UCP and CPC)"

You can see how one is investigative journalism, and one is twisted to be sensational and fear-mongering. It's why a moderate person wouldn't take your post seriously.

If it's actually happening, how is it fearmongering?