[GT] Alberta Votes 2023.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Funny thing is, living in rural Alberta, all the UCP supports say the same thing. "people who don't vote like me are idiot dummies who don't know how the world works"

The difference is in the receipts.

You ask any of the NDP supporters, or even the NDP reluctant voters, and they can give you solid evidence and examples of why they are the better choice. They will demonstrate economic trends, how peoples lives are affected by cuts, how the UCP decisions are hurting every day Albertans.

The UCP supporters give almost nothing except vague references to communism (not even close), socialism (<>Venezuela) or in bed with JT (not even close). There is no evidence, and any evidence to the contrary is met with more smoke and vague insinuations. Then they try to gaslight and project that its the left that is "divisive".

It isn't just a mudslinging contest this time, there are actual facts and evidence that show how the NDP are centrist, pragmatic and not at all what the lies make them out to be.

The UCP can't back up any of its claims with hard evidence or track records.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by Nufy

I'm so happy we have yet another thread where people of different political colors can piss all over each other.

Yay internet...

Ya, but in GT form!

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Originally Posted by Nufy

I'm so happy we have yet another thread where people of different political colors can piss all over each other.

Yay internet...

Just wait until tomorrow! There'll be at least a couple more!

[FacePaint]

Isn't there usually a CP poll for election day? If be curious to see it and how it compares to 4 years ago.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by belsarius

The difference is in the receipts.

You ask any of the NDP supporters, or even the NDP reluctant voters, and they can give you solid evidence and examples of why they are the better choice. They will demonstrate economic trends, how peoples lives are affected by cuts, how the UCP decisions are hurting every day Albertans.

The UCP supporters give almost nothing except vague references to communism (not even close), socialism (<>Venezuela) or in bed with JT (not even close). There is no evidence, and any evidence to the contrary is met with more smoke and vague insinuations. Then they try to gaslight and project that its the left that is "divisive".

It isn't just a mudslinging contest this time, there are actual facts and evidence that show how the NDP are centrist, pragmatic and not at all what the lies make them out to be.

The UCP can't back up any of its claims with hard evidence or track records.

Modern social conservatives are cruel, and they enjoy cruelty in their political leaders.

You really don't have to look much deeper than that.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Modern social conservatives are cruel, and they enjoy cruelty in their political leaders.

You really don't have to look much deeper than that.

Cruel like encouraging personal accountability and self sufficiency. So many people view the best party as the best handouts.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Cruel like encouraging personal accountability and self sufficiency. So many people view the best party as the best handouts.

You're right - 'if you get cancer, it's your own fault' is definitely personal accountability.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Cruel like encouraging personal accountability and self sufficiency. So many people view the best party as the best handouts.

I'm confused... Which party is the one encouraging personal accountability and self-sufficiency? The one that just gave a $330 million handout to Calgary Flames Sports & Entertainment?

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Cruel like encouraging personal accountability and self sufficiency. So many people view the best party as the best handouts.

UCP are just as bad if not worse for handouts. i.e. corporate handouts for well cleanup.

The problem is who the UCP are giving the handouts to.

[timun]

"Modern social conservatives" are fascists. I don't know why we pussyfoot around this anymore: they're fascists.

Umberto Eco's 14 essential characteristics of fascism:

1. The cult of tradition.
"One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements."

2. The rejection of modernism.
"The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism."

3. The cult of action for action's sake.
"Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation."

4. Disagreement is treason.
"The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge."

5. Fear of difference.
"The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition."

6. Appeal to social frustration.
"One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups."

7. The obsession with a plot.
"The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is the appeal to xenophobia."

8. The humiliation by the wealth and force of their enemies.
"By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak."

9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy.
"For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle."

10. Contempt for the weak.
"Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology."

11. Everybody is educated to become a hero.
"In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death."

12. Machismo and weaponry.
"Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."

13. Selective populism.
"There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People."

14. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak.
"All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning."

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

TLDR:
One party's platform is:
You can only trust us to fix the problems we created*

*JK, we have plans to make it even worse.

That’s been the Republican mantra.

[Ozy_Flame]

Reads like a bible written by Theo Fleury, except the content is from Theo's wet dream ramblings about WEF and vaccines and the bible is actually the dirty napkin from Denny's he wrote it on with crayon.

[81MC]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Cruel like encouraging personal accountability and self sufficiency. So many people view the best party as the best handouts.

Handouts? Self sufficiency?

Like when the UCP offered up Albertans resources to foreign entities before it was even legally allowed to be used for what the government was selling it for? Once that put Albertans ability to be self sufficient at long term risk and was so universally deplored they themselves had to walk back?

Or, like when million dollar government contracts were awarded without competitive bid to UCP family member? That type of handout?

Or, do you just mean handing out $5,000,000,000 to oil companies to convince them to do the thing they were already legally obligated to do, akin to paying someone to pick up their dogs #### as it cuts through your yard?

Or that self-sufficient free pay zone that is the OHV land immedialty next to the unself-sufficient K-country? You know, where I can take my motorcycle entirely free of charge?

But you probably mean the billions of handouts to more oil companie for pipelines that, you know, wasn’t fuucking happening?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Cruel like encouraging personal accountability and self sufficiency. So many people view the best party as the best handouts.

Ah, so that is why you are voting UCP

[PsYcNeT]

The two political ideologies:

[Yoho]

I consider Investment different that hand outs . But I understand the comparison.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I consider Investment different that hand outs . But I understand the comparison.

Good old corporate socialism

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

The two political ideologies:

Wait... which is UCP and which is NDP? I legitimately cannot tell anymore.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

“Informed”, “educated”. Hahahahahahaha.

UCP courting the simpletons once again! lol

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Wait... which is UCP and which is NDP? I legitimately cannot tell anymore.

Exactly