2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GioforPM]

Vegas has Logan Thompson for another two years at $766K which is awesome, but Hill is a UFA who they probably will be under huge pressure to re-sign. I wonder if they trade Thompson for a bunch of assets, and then need a backup. They also have Stephenson as a pending UFA next year. I'd love to grab him somehow.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Mangiapane + something for Dubois.

Convince him to sign here or trade him at the deadline.

You gauge interest in signing before you make that deal. No point giving up anything if he isn’t willing to sign

[Strange Brew]

Vladar was 35th and 45th in save percentage in two seasons with the Flames. That doesn’t scream “stellar” and “mediocre” as one poster suggests.

I will concede that one stat doesn’t tell the whole story, I just don’t expect there will be many clubs who don’t already feel they have a Vladar level backup in their organization already. The 2nd for Berra trade was a unicorn IMO. I see his value closer to a Brossoit who has been available on waivers plenty the last few years.

If you get a second or third for him, that’s worth it. Otherwise keep him around and if Wolf wins the backup job, send Vladar down.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Vladar was 35th and 45th in save percentage in two seasons with the Flames. That doesn’t scream “stellar” and “mediocre” as one poster suggests.

I will concede that one stat doesn’t tell the whole story, I just don’t expect there will be many clubs who don’t already feel they have a Vladar level backup in their organization already. The 2nd for Berra trade was a unicorn IMO. I see his value closer to a Brossoit who has been available on waivers plenty the last few years.

If you get a second or third for him, that’s worth it. Otherwise keep him around and if Wolf wins the backup job, send Vladar down.

As backups go it is pretty good actually. And it's all contextual - his first season are you saying he was a poor backup?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Dubois has his heart set on Montreal

Cool, here it is, the guarantee that Dubois will sign somewhere other than Montreal.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Hanifin for Middlestadt + picks has the outline of a workable deal. But I think the Sabres would baulk at that price. You have to think that if the Sabres dangled the 13th OA pick alone, they could get a pretty decent second-pairing defenceman for it (Romanov cost the Isles the 13th OA last draft). Hanifin is better than Romanov, but is he Middlestadt + Lindgren + conditional 1st better? And do the Sabres even want to bringing in a guy who’s going to get 1st pairing money for 7 more years when they’ll soon have two other defencemen making big dollars?

You might be right… that might be asking too much for Hanifin. Maybe just Mittelstadt and the 13th overall? Even an unsigned Hanifin could return a first round pick in 2024 for the Sabres if they still don’t take another step this year.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by stemit14

You might be right… that might be asking too much for Hanifin. Maybe just Mittelstadt and the 13th overall? Even an unsigned Hanifin could return a first round pick in 2024 for the Sabres if they still don’t take another step this year.


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In this draft only, if you can get the 13th pick for Hanifin, you run with it.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Vladar was 35th and 45th in save percentage in two seasons with the Flames. That doesn’t scream “stellar” and “mediocre” as one poster suggests.

I will concede that one stat doesn’t tell the whole story, I just don’t expect there will be many clubs who don’t already feel they have a Vladar level backup in their organization already. The 2nd for Berra trade was a unicorn IMO. I see his value closer to a Brossoit who has been available on waivers plenty the last few years.

If you get a second or third for him, that’s worth it. Otherwise keep him around and if Wolf wins the backup job, send Vladar down.

The person who made that comment said it in the context of a backup. 35th in save percentage is theoretically the 3rd best backup.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by butterfly

The person who made that comment said it in the context of a backup. 35th in save percentage is theoretically the 3rd best backup.

Yeah, I said it, and it was more based on recollection than anything else. I'd acknoweldge that save % for backups is a funny animal which reflects that role. Some backups have high save percentages based on limited starts, being called in late in games and quality of opponent.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

In this draft only, if you can get the 13th pick for Hanifin, you run with it.

You’re probably right. This draft is supposedly very good so a 13th overall pick in this draft is likely close to the equivalent of a top 10 pick in other drafts.


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[Monahammer]

Mikael Byeklund

Elias Lindreholm

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

As backups go it is pretty good actually. And it's all contextual - his first season are you saying he was a poor backup?

You don’t see any room between “stellar” and “poor”?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by stemit14

If the flames are going to trade Lindholm, I think it would likely need to return a first round pick in this upcoming draft. It’s possible that very few teams in the top 16 of the draft are looking to trade their first round picks this year so the flames might end up trading with teams in the back half of the first round.

Not only are teams willing to trade their first round pick, we're actually in line to historically pick up the 3rd overall from Columbus, according to CP! We're just discussing how we can't add too much after Lindholm or else Columbus can pound sand!!

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yeah, I said it, and it was more based on recollection than anything else. I'd acknoweldge that save % for backups is a funny animal which reflects that role. Some backups have high save percentages based on limited starts, being called in late in games and quality of opponent.

Yep, some teams give back ups easy starts to try to get wins out of "back up" games, other teams use the "throw him at a top team on a back to back so we can get the win with our starter vs the weaker team and if the back up wins too, bonus" strategy.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yep, some teams give back ups easy starts to try to get wins out of "back up" games, other teams use the "throw him at a top team on a back to back so we can get the win with our starter vs the weaker team and if the back up wins too, bonus" strategy.

Good teams use their back up against poor teams and try to win every game.

Bad teams use their best goalie vs. Bad teams to take wins while they can.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Good teams use their back up against poor teams and try to win every game.

Bad teams use their best goalie vs. Bad teams to take wins while they can.

Sure, and my point was that every back up goalie's stats aren't the same for that reason.

[GranteedEV]

I would love to see if Conroy can squeeze Liljegren out of the Leafs. Tre has undervalued guys like Valimaki and Kylington and Kulak historically, and Liljegren's talent is well worth exploring. Better skater than any of our right defensemen, would be a perfect partner for Zadorov with upside.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Vegas has Logan Thompson for another two years at $766K which is awesome, but Hill is a UFA who they probably will be under huge pressure to re-sign. I wonder if they trade Thompson for a bunch of assets, and then need a backup. They also have Stephenson as a pending UFA next year. I'd love to grab him somehow.

With Vegas' ongoing cap issues, it seems likely they keep Thompson, if only because he's capable and dirt-cheap.

[mile]

Seravalli with a new top 25 trade targets list. Lindholm was #4, but is no longer on the list. But also mentions that the list can change as coaching vacancies are filled.

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/th...-trade-targets

[dustygoon]

I didn’t realize that Nylander is repped by Lewis Gross. That’s not insignificant.

Tre has never said much about the Gaudreau negotiation but I remember this from Burke from 2018..

“I can only tell you, this agent [who’s representing Nylander] represented Johnny Gaudreau, made some demands which we’ve never really made public when I worked for the Flames, because we thought people would resent them,” Burke said Saturday in a discussion with David Amber and Nick Kypreos.

I could see if nylander doesn’t say yep right away, he’s gone.