2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by stemit14

The Rangers are in “win now” mode but have little playoff success to show for it considering how easy they have it with free agents and college stars wanting to go there. They could definitely use what Lindholm brings as they have a lot of offence-first talent but could use some more two-way players. Zibanejad, Lindholm, Trocheck and Goodrow up the middle would match up well with anyone in the league.

To New York:
-Elias Lindholm

To Calgary:
-one of Kaapo Kakko or Alexis Lafreniere
-2023 first round pick (23rd overall)

Strange to think the two players the Rangers picked near the top of consecutive drafts during their very brief “rebuild” have been in trade rumours over the last year. They could use immediate help with their two-way game right now though and Lindholm provides that.

Similar to the Carolina trade I proposed, this trade with the Rangers has fewer picks attached (compared to other potential deals) simply due to the caliber of young player that the rangers would be trading away. I’m not sure which player would be better to target honestly. Both have been slow to develop since being drafted. My first impression would be to target Kakko because of his speed and because he took a good step last season.

Lafrenierre has increased his point totals every year in the NHL (40 points this past season) but has looked poor in the playoffs and there are concerns that his style of play has not translated as well to the NHL game.

Still, both players are young and could “pop” with a new team. They are both high risk/high reward players to trade for at this point.


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And what does that leave us up the middle? Unless there is another deal after to bring in a top 6 C this doesn't work for Calgary.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Sec214

I think Tanguay is a really good Skills/Power Play Coach... I've herd his situation in Detroit with Lalonde coaching staff, is pretty good.

Id argue that Savard might be better.

His OHL PP ran at a 25.9% and runs a very high speed up tempo system.

Bring them both.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And what does that leave us up the middle? Unless there is another deal after to bring in a top 6 C this doesn't work for Calgary.

Mangiapane + something for Dubois.

Convince him to sign here or trade him at the deadline.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And what does that leave us up the middle? Unless there is another deal after to bring in a top 6 C this doesn't work for Calgary.

If the flames are trading Lindholm, they will definitely be thinner up the middle. They might be able to get a younger centre by trading Hanifin but I don’t know if there are any trade partners that will send back a centre close to Lindholm’s skill.


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[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Mangiapane + something for Dubois.

Convince him to sign here or trade him at the deadline.

Dubois has his heart set on Montreal

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Dubois has his heart set on Montreal

Just like Johnny and Philly. I will believe it when I see it. I think he goes State side somewhere. If the Flames trade Lindholm they won't be getting a similar centre. It would have to come from a series of re-tool trades from other players and that will be tough. I still think if Lindholm is adamant on wanting out then the Flames will wave the white flag.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

That seems very underwhelming for just lindholm let alone adding vladar.

Gotta get the 9th for those two assets..

What do you think Vladar alone is worth?
Why is he worth any more than a 4th or 5th pick?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What do you think Vladar alone is worth?
Why is he worth any more than a 4th or 5th pick?

I think he's worth at least what was paid for him. He's had one stellar backup season and one mediocre one. At the time he was acquired he was a question mark as an NHL backup. I'd say he's at least proven that he can do the job at some level. Whether his 2021-22 season was his high point or 22-23 was an anomoly is yet to be proven, but I'd say he's as valuable as a lot of other established backups.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What do you think Vladar alone is worth?
Why is he worth any more than a 4th or 5th pick?

He is at least worth what the Flames paid for him. Don't think it has eroded from a third. I bet a desperate team would pay a second.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Bonded

He is at least worth what the Flames paid for him. Don't think it has eroded from a third. I bet a desperate team would pay a second.

I would disagree
But then I remember someone paid a 2nd for Reto Berra.

[stemit14]

Looking at teams that could really use what Hanifin brings, I could see Buffalo needing a solid #2-3 defenseman like Hanifin.

Buffalo is absolutely loaded with high end forwards both on their roster and in their prospect pool but could use some help on defence. They have Power, Dahlin and Samuelsson on defence which is very impressive but they could definitely use Hanifin to fill out the top four.

To Buffalo:
Noah Hanifin

To Calgary:
Casey Mittelstadt
Mats Lindgren
2023 first round pick (13th overall)
1st round pick in 2024 (conditional)

Conditions of the first round pick in 2024:
If the Sabres make the playoffs next season, it is a first round pick. If not, it becomes a 2nd round pick in 2024.

Calgary gets a forward (Mittelstadt) who might need a change of scenery to hopefully reach his draft potential; they get a defensive prospect in Lindgren who has high upside potential as an offensive defenseman; and they also get potentially two first round picks - one of which being a top 15 pick in very deep draft this year.

Ideally, I would prefer the flames get a package of 13th overall this year plus Noah Ostlund (Swedish centre taken 16th overall in the draft last year) but I don’t think the Sabres would go for that unless Hanifin agreed to sign an extension with Buffalo before being traded.


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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I would disagree
But then I remember someone paid a 2nd for Reto Berra.

John Gillies was worth Voracek and a 6th last year.

More seriously, Vitek Vanacek is nothing special and he got the Caps a 2nd and 3rd at the 2022 draft from NJD. Georgiev (who was a complete unknown to me) got 3 draft picks.

Or, depending on how the kids work out in camp you might just trade for a 4th liner and make a little cap room while filling a spot.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Looking at teams that could really use what Hanifin brings, I could see Buffalo needing a solid #2-3 defenseman like Hanifin.

Buffalo is absolutely loaded with high end forwards both on their roster and in their prospect pool but could use some help on defence. They have Power, Dahlin and Samuelsson on defence which is very impressive but they could definitely use Hanifin to fill out the top four.

To Buffalo:
Noah Hanifin

To Calgary:
Casey Mittelstadt
Mats Lindgren
2023 first round pick (13th overall)
1st round pick in 2024 (conditional)

Conditions of the first round pick in 2024:
If the Sabres make the playoffs next season, it is a first round pick. If not, it becomes a 2nd round pick in 2024.

Calgary gets a forward (Mittelstadt) who might need a change of scenery to hopefully reach his draft potential; they get a defensive prospect in Lindgren who has high upside potential as an offensive defenseman; and they also get potentially two first round picks - one of which being a top 15 pick in very deep draft this year.

Ideally, I would prefer the flames get a package of 13th overall this year plus Noah Ostlund (Swedish centre taken 16th overall in the draft last year) but I don’t think the Sabres would go for that unless Hanifin agreed to sign an extension with Buffalo before being traded.


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Hanifin for Middlestadt + picks has the outline of a workable deal. But I think the Sabres would baulk at that price. You have to think that if the Sabres dangled the 13th OA pick alone, they could get a pretty decent second-pairing defenceman for it (Romanov cost the Isles the 13th OA last draft). Hanifin is better than Romanov, but is he Middlestadt + Lindgren + conditional 1st better? And do the Sabres even want to bringing in a guy who’s going to get 1st pairing money for 7 more years when they’ll soon have two other defencemen making big dollars?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by stemit14

The Rangers are in “win now” mode but have little playoff success to show for it considering how easy they have it with free agents and college stars wanting to go there. They could definitely use what Lindholm brings as they have a lot of offence-first talent but could use some more two-way players. Zibanejad, Lindholm, Trocheck and Goodrow up the middle would match up well with anyone in the league.

To New York:
-Elias Lindholm

To Calgary:
-one of Kaapo Kakko or Alexis Lafreniere
-2023 first round pick (23rd overall)

Strange to think the two players the Rangers picked near the top of consecutive drafts during their very brief “rebuild” have been in trade rumours over the last year. They could use immediate help with their two-way game right now though and Lindholm provides that.

Similar to the Carolina trade I proposed, this trade with the Rangers has fewer picks attached (compared to other potential deals) simply due to the caliber of young player that the rangers would be trading away. I’m not sure which player would be better to target honestly. Both have been slow to develop since being drafted. My first impression would be to target Kakko because of his speed and because he took a good step last season.

Lafrenierre has increased his point totals every year in the NHL (40 points this past season) but has looked poor in the playoffs and there are concerns that his style of play has not translated as well to the NHL game.

Still, both players are young and could “pop” with a new team. They are both high risk/high reward players to trade for at this point.


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Rangers also have little cap room, which is the only reason they are entertaining trading Lefrenierre.

I doubt they trade him for a larger cap headache, although Lindholm is a decent target for them.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Dubois has his heart set on Montreal

Maybe he could be convinced otherwise.

But like I said if Lindy has his heart set on leaving than you give it a try. If it doesn't work you trade him at the deadline with maximum retention to sweeten the deal as much as possible.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What do you think Vladar alone is worth?
Why is he worth any more than a 4th or 5th pick?

Imo Vladar will return a 2nd round pick. No more, no less

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Imo Vladar will return a 2nd round pick. No more, no less

If we get a 2nd for Vladar I will dance all the way to new the stadium !

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Maybe he could be convinced otherwise.

But like I said if Lindy has his heart set on leaving than you give it a try. If it doesn't work you trade him at the deadline with maximum retention to sweeten the deal as much as possible.

Would you want Dubois though? Seems like a bit of a Diva. He’d be wanting to leave after a year or two.

Would be a good add if you could keep him happy.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Would you want Dubois though? Seems like a bit of a Diva. He’d be wanting to leave after a year or two.

Would be a good add if you could keep him happy.

I don't judge him at all for wanting to leave Columbus, it's completely understandable.

Put yourself in his shoes, isn't it normal to want to have a bit on control on where you call home 9 months of the year.

Calgary is a great place and one of the more attractive Canadian markets. The fans would also love the way he plays and he would quickly become a fan favourite.

Ideally speaking you keep Lindholm and have both Dubois and Lindholm as your 1-2 punch up the middle but that would mean shipping out Kadri as we couldn't keep them all due to cap implications.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And what does that leave us up the middle? Unless there is another deal after to bring in a top 6 C this doesn't work for Calgary.

Kadri, Backlund, Coronato, Dube, Coleman has played C, Rooney I guess.