[News] Treliving named Leafs GM

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

One area Conroy will be weaker than Treliving initially is relationships. Treliving is said to be the most plugged-in GM in the league, who has frequent communications with all of his peers and a finger on the pulse of what every team needs and is looking for. Conroy is a personable guy, but it will take time for him to build up those relationships and trust.

Would Conroy not have been building those relationships over the several years that he was working in an executive capacity for the Flames? Brad came into Calgary working under Maloney as an AGM and seemed to be pretty plugged in right away.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Holy high-praises from Tkachuk, Batman.

Great to see these guys had such a wonderful experience together leaving the Calgary Flames in a mess and moving on to supposed greener pastures.

[dino7c]

Leafs have one pick in the first four rounds...Brad might as well skip the draft anyway

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by flames_fan_down_under

Would Conroy not have been building those relationships over the several years that he was working in an executive capacity for the Flames? Brad came into Calgary working under Maloney as an AGM and seemed to be pretty plugged in right away.

Depends on his role, of course. Did we see him on the road and at league meetings much?

He was also a player so a lot of guys know him that way.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by activeStick

I listen to the Toronto media throughout the day and in the morning and what they've been talking about are all the cons they've identified from Tre's time with the Flames (which included Tre creating the situations he found himself in last summer), but also the pros, such as being able to get a mostly universally lauded deal in a bad situation (that yes, he created), along with other things.

So, I'd disagree with your take.

Guess we're listening to different sources. Overdrive, That's Hockey, Sportsnet Hockey Central (or whatever the pre game is called), pods such as The Athletic Hockey Show, Ray & Dregs and so on.

Not all Toronto necessarily, but a lot of where I heard it is. But not surprising that some media outlets/reporters would see it different.

But when I hear them gloss over what forced him to make that move, it bothers me.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Depends on his role, of course. Did we see him on the road and at league meetings much?

He was also a player so a lot of guys know him that way.

I feel like working under Brad who is allegedly the most plugged in GM in the league would provide at least some measure of that same access to Craig. Brad said as much today that he works very close with his employees at all levels. And as you mentioned Craig has a history of being someone in the NHL who is already very well liked.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by jaydub74

Not sure it’s been discussed but I thought Trees most interesting comment was about the importance of relationships and team ship… not necessarily a shot at Sutter, but just something that was lacking in Calgary between coach and GM.

In addition Conroy mentioned Trees lack of mgmt teamwork inclusion in some instances whereby he felt Tree made decisions alone.

Just some observations


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I found that one interesting as well. How could he honestly say that after Conroy’s assessment of how things are done, along with the coaching rift? Hell of a politicians statement to say that when if he came down from his press box, he’d see the dressing room was in shambles. Anything for the cameras I guess.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Nothing really if he doesn't put anything in writing. I think the more damaging thing he could is surrounding player movement rather than the draft.

That’s the bigger thing for me too. He compiled scouting reports and lists of players to target through trade or free agency, while on the Flames dime. Probably the same lists that the Flames management is also working off of going into the off-season. Now they are going to be competing against Treliving and the Leafs for these resources, and we know which market has the upper hand there. He also knows the inside info on which players may want out and can lowball the Flames based on that info.

That’s why I didn’t mind if the Flames prevented him from talking to other teams. It’s different if a GM is fired, but he chose to leave.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Getting serious jilted lover vibes from this thread the last couple days..

This will just give the Flames a bigger chip on their shoulder. Hopefully we cream T.O. next season.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Gaudreau? Fox? Andersson? Dube? Mangiapane? Wolf? Kylington? All later picks... I think it's pretty well established that the Flames have a had above average amateur scouting over the last decade +.

Later picks? I would consider only two of those players "later picks". Anything in the top half of the draft is not a late pick. Also, if the amateur scouts are so good shouldn't we see more success than that listed? Shouldn't we also see more players signing pro contracts and sticking around to develop in the minors and into NHL players? You would think that a team that was so strong at the draft would not see so many players go unsigned and not enter the system that is already so thin.

[Flames_Gimp]

lol good luck toronto!

i don't like him as a gm but as a person i wish him success at his new position!

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

One area Conroy will be weaker than Treliving initially is relationships. Treliving is said to be the most plugged-in GM in the league, who has frequent communications with all of his peers and a finger on the pulse of what every team needs and is looking for. Conroy is a personable guy, but it will take time for him to build up those relationships and trust.

When they asked Conroy about this, he mentioned that he knows a lot of people, through organizations across the NHL. Some that he may not know well, he has played against, so they have a starting point for a conversation. He says he knows at least someone in pretty much every organization. The guy has been in the NHL as a player and an AGM for decades. Plus he mentioned that his phone blew up with messages from many GMs across the league. He is a good communicator, and business is business.


But what does he know? I will go with what you are saying

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

When they asked Conroy about this, he mentioned that he knows a lot of people, through organizations across the NHL. Some that he may not know well, he has played against, so they have a starting point for a conversation. He says he knows at least someone in pretty much every organization. The guy has been in the NHL as a player and an AGM for decades. Plus he mentioned that his phone blew up with messages from many GMs across the league. He is a good communicator, and business is business.


But what does he know? I will go with what you are saying

Not directed at you, but the comment you were quoting. I have trouble believing that Conroy will struggle at forming working relationships with the other GMs around the league.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

One area Conroy will be weaker than Treliving initially is relationships. Treliving is said to be the most plugged-in GM in the league, who has frequent communications with all of his peers and a finger on the pulse of what every team needs and is looking for. Conroy is a personable guy, but it will take time for him to build up those relationships and trust.

What do you think he's been doing for all of these years with Trelviing? What was Treliving doing for those years in Arizona? In those years under Burke? Sure, Conroy won't have the time in the role yet -- but I'm sure relationships around the executive offices across the league have been built in the nearly 9 years he spent under Treliving. Not to mention the people he'll know around the league from his playing days.

He won't be as plugged in as Treliving, not to start. But it's not like he's been disconnected all this time either.

[Strange Brew]

Listened to some clips from the presser and I see Treliving still loves his management consulting terms, but doesn’t quite know how to use them.

“I’m coming in from an outside lens”.

Needs a year with McKinsey to clean that up.

[shadowlord]

Originally Posted by bluejays

It’s a bigtime conundrum. The oilers have been in trouble because of McDavids contract and he and Draisaitl single handedly lead that team. Matthews isn’t that level to lead the team night in and out but he’s still a franchise player. I can’t conceive they get better unless they keep him though. So assume they keep him, one of Marner or Nylander must go. Marner is better and you’d get higher value but he doesn’t grow on trees. Nylander would get a decent return. Personally I think they ride or die with Matthews Marner combo in the years to come, and deal Nylander. When Tavares comes off the books in a couple seasons they’ll get the flexibility to pay Marner but you have to go with those two.

I disagree that McDavid & Draisaitl's contracts are the problem in Edmonton. If anything, those contracts are yielding very good value for the cap hit.

The problem is that the rest of the team is overpaid for how much the supporting cast actually delivers. Whether it's a premium to be paid because of the City of Edmonton, or an overpay because McDavid inflates everyone else's numbers.

Those terrible other contracts are the ones that prevent the team from winning a cup. Scoring has never been their problem. Forwards and defensemen who can keep pucks out of their own net is their biggest issue.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Listened to some clips from the presser and I see Treliving still loves his management consulting terms, but doesn’t quite know how to use them.

“I’m coming in from an outside lens”..

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by shadowlord

I disagree that McDavid & Draisaitl's contracts are the problem in Edmonton. If anything, those contracts are yielding very good value for the cap hit.

The problem is that the rest of the team is overpaid for how much the supporting cast actually delivers. Whether it's a premium to be paid because of the City of Edmonton, or an overpay because McDavid inflates everyone else's numbers.

Those terrible other contracts are the ones that prevent the team from winning a cup. Scoring has never been their problem. Forwards and defensemen who can keep pucks out of their own net is their biggest issue.

Yeah, I think any team in the league would take Leon and McDavid at their cap hits and then build a team around that. That's never been the Oilers problem, they are gifts in the hockey building world.

It's everything they've failed to do around them from day one that has led to the lack of success around a generational talent. Generational talent scores a million points but doesn't do much defensively? Build a ****ing defensive team and structure around him. Pay the price for a proven, high level starting goalie.

Build from the net out when they drafted him and they'd be smelling like roses. But nope, had to go all 80's Oilers and keep adding offensive player after offensive player because they were excited fan boys instead of practical managers.

[Igottago]

Catching up on some of the media coverage today...and its hilarious. Brad thought Calgary was tough. They are already saying Brad basically has to bend to Shanahan's will and bring back the coach and the same core.

For all those people bitching at the way the Flames operated for Treliving leaving, he has has now landed in a place with way more media scrutiny and by the sounds of it more meddling into his GM affairs. Leads me to believe that was never the core issue in Calgary anyways. I think Brad had his sights set on this job for a while just for the prestige of being in the NHL's biggest market.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Listened to some clips from the presser and I see Treliving still loves his management consulting terms, but doesn’t quite know how to use them.

“I’m coming in from an outside lens”.

Needs a year with McKinsey to clean that up.

He should've just responded to all the questions with Dungeons & Dragons metaphors.