[GT] Alberta Votes 2023.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Would love to see these stats on who’s leaving. I hope that it’s not just fear mongering because that’s all you have left when you take your bell and go home.

You lost get over it.

Who lost? This isn’t a sport. The person I voted for won, but I neither won or lost. You understand this isn’t some game, right? This is the government.

I don’t plan on leaving. But I do think it’s funny that you’re still freaking out and trying to cope hard despite feeling like you “won” any time someone says something that scares you.

Maybe it’s you who needs to get over people making their own decisions?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Hackey

It feels more like pandering to me. Basically we can win over a lot of people by making it seem like we care or that were doing something. But obviously this is what politician do on every side. I just feel the measures they take are a drop in the bucket in terms of this global issue. So yes we can try to do our part but at the end of the day it's more to make us feel good than actuslly having any real impact. So I question if it's worth it when the flip side is actually felt by Canadians. I don't know what the answer is but I'm pretty positive our government doesn't know either and in the end I think these policies hurt Canadians far more than they help anything.

So we consumers pay more, but that money has to go somewhere. Where do you think it ends up?

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Would love to see these stats on who’s leaving. I hope that it’s not just fear mongering because that’s all you have left when you take your bell and go home.

You lost get over it.

Sorry, that's not how this works. This isn't a hockey game. This isn't a sport. This is real life and for many Albertans the UCP represent a continued threat to them. People shouldn't "get over it", they need to "get out there". Just because the UCP won the election doesn't mean people need to roll over and deal with it, they can keep fighting for what they believe in.

[Yoho]

Pepsi free you were whining in other threads about baby boomers why you couldn’t afford a house I highly doubt you pay more if any taxes.

[Fuzz]

Oh good, a "who pays more taxes and is therefore entitled to more" argument.

[Fuzz]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1663592040578568197


Gee, I wonder what is going to have to "give". Buckle up, we be ####ed.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Pepsi free you were whining in other threads about baby boomers why you couldn’t afford a house I highly doubt you pay more if any taxes.

Maybe about them making houses more expensive in general. I own a house with a two-car garage. I’m pretty confident I pay taxes, thanks. How much does a Walmart greeter bring in these days? lol

[2Stonedbirds]

Baby boomers are making houses more expensive?

[kevman]

Excluding the 2015 election this is the weakest mandate a conservative party has had in Alberta since the start of the PC reign in 1971. And even then, the UCP only received 0.5% more of the popular vote than the joint PC/WR count in 2015.

Alberta has never been more progressive than it is today.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Alright. I’ll take the bait.

Source?

Well here's a couple: National Library of Medicine: Grass-fed vs. grain-fed beef systems: performance, economic, and environmental trade-offs

Oklahoma State University: Carbon Footprint Comparison Between Grass- and Grain-finished Beef

Basically there is more energy input (including water) to get grain-fed beef, but grass-fed beef has a higher carbon footprint.

I will be fair, there is no system that is perfect. Grass-fed has its own problems. I think eating less beef altogether is the better route to go. Cattle are the No. 1 agricultural source of greenhouse gases worldwide, and livestock are responsible for about 14.5% of global greenhouse gases. And with a growing population to be about 9-10 billion by 2050, consumption of beef products raised in conventional agricultural settings will only grow as a problem.

Shrink the market and make it more of a specialty item where possible.

[PsYcNeT]

As a guy who bought in an already inflated market 10 years ago and is owing less than half my initial on my mortgage, the fact that housing is a bull#### speculative market driven by Boomer expectations of perpetual returns is terrible for our children and the future of North America in general.

Also, #### landlords.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I can tell you after moving to Ontario, the quality of life has not changed in the slightest. In fact it might even be better out here - better weather, better fruit and vegetables, better utility and insurance rates, better access to services and amenities, and generally more stable government here (Ford is likely on his last term).

It's a big country, and I guarantee you will like what you find. There is a country outside of Alberta and it's doing just fine.

It must be great out east if you feel you need to post about how bad Alberta and it’s politics are every 10 minutes.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Hackey

It feels more like pandering to me. Basically we can win over a lot of people by making it seem like we care or that were doing something. But obviously this is what politician do on every side. I just feel the measures they take are a drop in the bucket in terms of this global issue. So yes we can try to do our part but at the end of the day it's more to make us feel good than actuslly having any real impact. So I question if it's worth it when the flip side is actually felt by Canadians. I don't know what the answer is but I'm pretty positive our government doesn't know either and in the end I think these policies hurt Canadians far more than they help anything.

Europe just created import Carbon taxes which apply if a jurisdiction does not have their own. This is the key step that needs to be taken to protect your internal industries when implementing a Carbon Tax. But as jurisdictions create these import Tarrifs carbon taxes will reduce emissions as opposed to moving emissions around. We are approaching the point of these things working and being a global standard.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Sorry, that's not how this works. This isn't a hockey game. This isn't a sport. This is real life and for many Albertans the UCP represent a continued threat to them. People shouldn't "get over it", they need to "get out there". Just because the UCP won the election doesn't mean people need to roll over and deal with it, they can keep fighting for what they believe in.

That's the indoctrination into the life long UCP voters cult. It's easy to say "we won" when you robotically vote for the same party no matter what.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Yoho

It must be great out east if you feel you need to post about how bad Alberta and it’s politics are every 10 minutes.

I am, what you call:

• Laurentian Elite
• Eastern Creep
• Eastern Bum
• Toronto Hipster
• Champagne Socialist
• Ottawa's Favorite Son

a Laurentian Elite

Alberta is lovely. It's politics are not. And after living there for close to four decades with family, community and assets still in the province, I have skin in the game.

[Superflyer]

Originally Posted by Spurs

This shows the level of ignorance of UCP supporters when they act as though people are leaving because their party lost and not because of the horrible policies of the UCP that will make Alberta a horrible place to live and have impacts far longer than the 4 years they will be in power.

The thing is that it is more than just about the government, it is also the environment that the government brings. Governments that lean to the side of bigots and racists encourage that type of person to come forward and be more prominent. Look at the US, Trump came in and encouraged that type of person and now they are running rampant. We are seeing that here as well, not to the level of the US thankfully, but it is growing.
Lots of people see this happening and want to get away from it. We don't want to be around people that look at states like Florida and Texas and say "Yeah, this is what I want here." When this happens it creates a big divide between people and there is much less respect for other people.

Case in point

Originally Posted by Stewie991

Only the Trash is Leaving. Good Riddance..

And yes this is happening in other provinces as well, but it does not seem to be anywhere at the level we are seeing it here.

[Firebot]

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...with%201%2C025.

While I would love to join into the hyperbole about people leaving Alberta in droves, it simply isn't reality. For every Ozy_Flame that leaves to Ontario and claims greener pasture in Ontario, there are 2 immigrating into Alberta. The grass is always greener on the other side. Sometimes it is, sometimes we fool ourselves in thinking it is.

We can look back at these numbers 4 years from and point to Smith's impact (and believe me I do think she will be a disaster), but much like Trudeau, in the grand scheme of things, despite our outrages, politics really doesn't impact day to day life that much. Ironically, in the Ontario subreddit all they do is complain about Ford day in and day out and how he's destroying the province, yet he just recently got voted back in. Social forums tend to be echo chamber on who can be the loudest in order to validate each other.

I mean literally I am reading the subreddit on Ontario right now:

Our health care is already dead

Fellow Ontarians who've given up on life - what are you doing.

OPSEU just put out a terrifying, black mirror style ad against healthcare privitization

Hate in Ontario is a linchpin moment

Phone calls no longer covered under OHIP

Arnprior, Ont. ER the latest rural hospital to experience staff shortages

Please vote for healthcare

Those aren't cherry picked, these were all in a row at the top, the next few are about Doug Ford and insurance rates
being low about having to pay your own repair bill (lol)

Macroeconomics and quality of life tend to have a higher impact on migration than politics.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1663893086903349250

I love how the media is still trying to find holes in the UCP and Danielle Smith’s majority win.

That was what was so big about this win the coordinated efforts of all the media to go after her and she still won. It’s why all these liberal whiners are so upset. The deck was set and they still screwed it up and floundered to a loss.


This was a huge win for Canada and the trickle down effects of what’s to come are imeasurable. That’s why our friends out east are nervously watching.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Firebot

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...with%201%2C025.

While I would love to join into the hyperbole about people leaving Alberta in droves, it simply isn't reality. For every Ozy_Flame that leaves to Ontario and claims greener pasture in Ontario, there are 2 immigrating into Alberta. The grass is always greener on the other side. Sometimes it is, sometimes we fool ourselves in thinking it is.

We can look back at these numbers 4 years from and point to Smith's impact (and believe me I do think she will be a disaster), but much like Trudeau, in the grand scheme of things, despite our outrages, politics really doesn't impact day to day life that much. Ironically, in the Ontario subreddit all they do is complain about Ford day in and day out and how he's destroying the province, yet he just recently got voted back in. Social forums tend to be echo chamber on who can be the loudest in order to validate each other.

I mean literally I am reading the subreddit on Ontario right now:



Those aren't cherry picked, these were all in a row at the top, the next few are about Doug Ford and insurance rates
being low about having to pay your own repair bill (lol)

Macroeconomics and quality of life tend to have a higher impact on migration than politics.

Now tell me what proportion of those moving in vs moving out are specialized workers.

Also LMAO at Yoho being one of those brainworm guys that thinks Postmedia of all outlets "had it in" for the exceptionally pro-corporate UCP

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I love how the media is still trying to find holes in the UCP and Danielle Smith’s majority win.

That was what was so big about this win the coordinated efforts of all the media to go after her and she still won. It’s why all these liberal whiners are so upset. The deck was set and they still screwed it up and floundered to a loss.


This was a huge win for Canada and the trickle down effects of what’s to come are imeasurable. That’s why our friends out east are nervously watching.

Correct me if I am wrong, but haven't they been in power 4 years already? Where are these immeasurable trickle down effects you speak of?

Three examples will suffice.