[GT] Alberta Votes 2023.

[Mightyfire89]

A confederacy of dunces.

[Mightyfire89]

For my part, I try to stay out of the muck and not hurl insults at folks I don’t know, but I am disappointed in a lot of my fellow Albertans with this result. The reasons have been stated in this thread and the Alberta political thread ad nauseum. Born and raised Albertan and have spent 90% of my life in the province. Voted PC every time in my life except 2019, when I couldn’t stomach Kenney and voted Alberta party. Voted NDP this time (and didn’t have to hold my nose).
My wife and I are currently exploring the possibility/feasibility of moving to another province to try to get away from the insanity.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Except this is such a cop out. One side gets held to a higher standard of decorum, and it is apparently their own fault.

Every UCP ad was an attack ad on the NDP as well. The NDP didn't have any monopoly on attacking. And as for policy, major UCP points like the pension and provincial police force were ignored by the Premier, yet she will stand there and say she now has a mandate for those policies.

Its like saying that its ok for the UCP to play in the dirt, but if the NDP do it then I won't support them.

“But THEY did it TOO” isn’t an argument.

You seem to think the taking the high ground is weak and ineffective, and scrapping in the mud like the UCP is effective. As Table 5 remarked, if you want to appeal to sober moderates, then you probably want to campaign as a sober moderate rather than getting down in the mud pit.

And as the CBC story I linked to pointed out, the attack adds were a bad strategy for the NDP. They were ineffective and turned off voters. It might have cost them the election.

Most voters aren’t anywhere near as invested in politics as the people who post here are. They don’t feel strongly about one party or another. And those are the people you need to persuade to vote for you if you want to defeat an incumbent government. The haters are already locked in.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s meant to lower emissions by altering spending behaviour.

I’m genuinely curious if you can provide any level of financial detail why you prefer Trudeau’s carbon tax over the one Notley implemented (not vague stuff like “the rebate was actually a wealth transfer,” but actual numbers that show stuff like that).

How does making things more expensive help the environment though? You make everyone's cost of living higher which has real impact on people's lives and your emissions decrease by such an insignificant amount it has zero effect on the actual planet.

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by Hackey

How does making things more expensive help the environment though? You make everyone's cost of living higher which has real impact on people's lives and your emissions decrease by such an insignificant amount it has zero effect on the actual planet.

If you’d just change you behaviour, you would save money and our environment. Stop heating you home in our mild climate. Take advantage of our fantastic transit system. Easy choices we can all make.

[Stranger]

Originally Posted by Brendone

If you’d just change you behaviour, you would save money and our environment. Stop heating you home in our mild climate. Take advantage of our fantastic transit system. Easy choices we can all make.

For some people there are choices to make. We live on a farm that’s 25 minutes from the nearest town. Forty five minutes to the nearest city. In the winter there’s shops to heat, tractors and trucks that need to be plugged in, grain dryer to run. None of these are a choice unfortunately.

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by Stranger

For some people there are choices to make. We live on a farm that’s 25 minutes from the nearest town. Forty five minutes to the nearest city. In the winter there’s shops to heat, tractors and trucks that need to be plugged in, grain dryer to run. None of these are a choice unfortunately.

Sorry, I meant that to be sarcastic. Our climate, transit/logistics are terrible when it comes to our ability to “modify our behaviour”. We have to heat our facilities 8 months of the year, and our transit system sucked, before random stabbings we’re a thing. My wife tried to train to the office for a while, and she couldn’t get parked unless she went really early, so I would drop her off, only to get called back due to long delays for whatever reason, so she could drop me at work and drive downtown anyway. Just wasn’t worth all the wasted time. She’ll get a hybrid at some point, but will never take the train again.

[ikaris]

LOL at "I'm leaving Alberta because my political party lost!" whining. Never will forgive the progressive taxes the NDP brought in which brought no personal return for my family and while losing thousands of dollars.

While this iteration of the UCP isn't great, still cannot trust the NDP.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by ikaris

LOL at "I'm leaving Alberta because my political party lost!" whining. Never will forgive the progressive taxes the NDP brought in which brought no personal return for my family and while losing thousands of dollars.

While this iteration of the UCP isn't great, still cannot trust the NDP.

Shocking! Conservative voter with no self awareness whines about taxes while calling others whiners.

It's also laughable that you think the NDP taxes affected you that much.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Meh. If Edmonton would have voted in some UCP they would have some representation in the government. Danielle did it for them!

You do but really that's how Canadian political systems operate. They are team sports and no majority ruling government is going to appoint an opposition member to cabinet or have them in internal day-to-day discussions about policies.

That's why a Liberal MP in Alberta has a good shot of becoming a cabinet minister in Canadian Liberal Government because they're often the only option (such as "Landslide Annie" Anne McLellan).

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by StickMan

There shouldn't even be a carbon tax, especially on home heating. But the Trudeau tax at least give a bit of a rebate, where the notley tax just went towards expensive light bulbs?

This guy did his homework for sure.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by ikaris

LOL at "I'm leaving Alberta because my political party lost!" whining. Never will forgive the progressive taxes the NDP brought in which brought no personal return for my family and while losing thousands of dollars.

While this iteration of the UCP isn't great, still cannot trust the NDP.

2015, Never Forget !

Life seems a lot more expensive under the UCP than it ever did with the NDP

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Hackey

How does making things more expensive help the environment though? You make everyone's cost of living higher which has real impact on people's lives and your emissions decrease by such an insignificant amount it has zero effect on the actual planet.

This is the sad deluded world these tax leaches live in. Hallmark ads and catch phrases for the planet to make them feel good about the enviorment while turning their back to obvious misguided realities.

You can’t take them serious it’s about control.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by ikaris

LOL at "I'm leaving Alberta because my political party lost!" whining. Never will forgive the progressive taxes the NDP brought in which brought no personal return for my family and while losing thousands of dollars.

While this iteration of the UCP isn't great, still cannot trust the NDP.

Must be lovely to live in a world where this is your biggest priority. As I've said so many times before, pure, unadulterated selfishness.

[Fuzz]

nm

[you&me]

In regards to voter apathy, I just came across this:

Pollsters had predicted a tight race, but economist Blake Shaffer found voting results showed Notley’s NDP needed only 2,611 votes across six electoral districts to form a government. More than 1 million registered voters did not vote in the election, Shaffer said.

That just goes to show how close this whole thing was. Clear mandate my ass.

(Apologies if I missed it, but this thread moved incredibly fast yesterday and -let's be honest - most posts weren't worth reading)

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by you&me

In regards to voter apathy, I just came across this:



That just goes to show how close this whole thing was. Clear mandate my ass.

(Apologies if I missed it, but this thread moved incredibly fast yesterday and -let's be honest - most posts weren't worth reading)

This shows me that all those that that said "I can't support Danielle Smith & the UCP, but I won't vote for the NDP, so I'll sit this one out" are the reason for the result.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by you&me

in regards to voter apathy, i just came across this:



That just goes to show how close this whole thing was. Clear mandate my ass.

(apologies if i missed it, but this thread moved incredibly fast yesterday and -let's be honest - most posts weren't worth reading)

https://twitter.com/user/status/1663752013585453059

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ikaris

LOL at "I'm leaving Alberta because my political party lost!" whining. Never will forgive the progressive taxes the NDP brought in which brought no personal return for my family and while losing thousands of dollars.

While this iteration of the UCP isn't great, still cannot trust the NDP.

Dude, my political party has never won in Alberta in all of my 60 years. This is the first time I ever thought about leaving. I imagine it’s the same for all of those people saying this. Think about it. They didn’t say it for Klein, Kenney, et al. They are saying it about Smith. And it has nothing to do with “losing thousands of dollars” which sounds a hell of a lot more like whining than the complaints about Smith.

[Baron von Kriterium]

Originally Posted by you&me

In regards to voter apathy, I just came across this:



That just goes to show how close this whole thing was. Clear mandate my ass.

(Apologies if I missed it, but this thread moved incredibly fast yesterday and -let's be honest - most posts weren't worth reading)

I'm one of the million who didn't vote. Well, technically, I declined my ballot. Usually I don't vote but the polling station was across the street and it was a nice evening for a stroll so I popped into the school. Thankfully there wasn't a line. Had there been a line, I would have turned around and headed home to shine my boots.

I stood there while the scrutineer did his thing and when he passed me the ballot I said, "No thanks, I decline." He had a shocked look on his face; I shrugged and left.