[GT] Alberta Votes 2023.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by StickMan

It was looked at as a way of adding a sales tax to everything without actually creating the dreaded provincial sales tax.

Well, good thing the result is now we have an even worse one.

Take that Trudope, or whoever

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

The 'Notley' carbon tax included a rebate too.

More like a wealth transfer.

[StickMan]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Well, good thing the result is now we have an even worse one.

Take that Trudope, or whoever

I prefer Trudeau's tax. But carbon tax is a joke and needs to go. It doesn't lower emissions, it just makes everything more expensive.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I mean if you want to play dumb and pretend they weren't attack ads, go nuts, but the point is that they had very little messaging that spoke to their own vision or goals. It was 99% focused on Smith.

Not that the UCP ads were any better...maybe even worse. I didn't particularly find any of the party's messaging particularly inspiring. But hey, I'm no political strategist.

I can agree with this.

The NDP demonized Smith and then during the leadership debate she was so comfortable lying and a good speaker from her talk radio days. The leadership debate and focus on Smith were 2 big errors by the NDP. Like I guess there's also the blame and responsibility Smith will never own for being a psychotic-level liar, but you have beat the opposition who's presented to you.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Why are you so scared of Unions?

I have nothing against unions. People should do as they please and that includes organizing.

However, I do not believe the gov't should create legislation which protects unions or gives unions extra powers.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I have nothing against unions. People should do as they please and that includes organizing.

However, I do not believe the gov't should create legislation which protects unions or gives unions extra powers.

I actually laughed out loud at the idea the unions of today have any special powers. Decades of pieces of #### like Regan demonizing unions has raped the middle class. I use that word very specifically.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by StickMan

Don't forget that some people simply don't like Rachel Notley or the way she ran things last time. She froze non-union public sector pay for 4 years, and then implemented a surprise carbon tax to make everything more expensive during a downturn. That combination right there would be enough to lose peoples trust and cost her thousands of votes. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice... Not going to happen. So without a new leader, just changing the party name may not have worked.

Careful, voting based on finances and not the good of the province is seen as being greedy, selfish MFers

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Progressive Optimistic Open Party.

Easy acronym too.

I’m old enough to remember the Reform Party’s initial attempt at a name when they merged with the Tories. Conservative Reform Alliance Party.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by StickMan

Don't forget that some people simply don't like Rachel Notley or the way she ran things last time. She froze non-union public sector pay for 4 years, and then implemented a surprise carbon tax to make everything more expensive during a downturn. That combination right there would be enough to lose peoples trust and cost her thousands of votes. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice... Not going to happen. So without a new leader, just changing the party name may not have worked.

I can't be sure if this post is an onion style blistering attack on the average UCP voter, or, a real post. I'll play along though, and pretend this isn't trolling.

What on earth do you mean a surprise carbon tax? Can you elaborate on that? Or am I just falling for brilliant satire?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I have nothing against unions. People should do as they please and that includes organizing.

However, I do not believe the gov't should create legislation which protects unions or gives unions extra powers.

Yeah let’s go back to the days when companies could bust up unions without repercussions.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by StickMan

I prefer Trudeau's tax. But carbon tax is a joke and needs to go. It doesn't lower emissions, it just makes everything more expensive.

It’s meant to lower emissions by altering spending behaviour.

I’m genuinely curious if you can provide any level of financial detail why you prefer Trudeau’s carbon tax over the one Notley implemented (not vague stuff like “the rebate was actually a wealth transfer,” but actual numbers that show stuff like that).

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s meant to lower emissions by altering spending behaviour.

I’m genuinely curious if you can provide any level of financial detail why you prefer Trudeau’s carbon tax over the one Notley implemented (not vague stuff like “the rebate was actually a wealth transfer,” but actual numbers that show stuff like that).

Slow down. I want to know what a surprise carbon tax is first lol

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s meant to lower emissions by altering spending behaviour.

I’m genuinely curious if you can provide any level of financial detail why you prefer Trudeau’s carbon tax over the one Notley implemented (not vague stuff like “the rebate was actually a wealth transfer,” but actual numbers that show stuff like that).

Especially when you keep in mind we'd be paying quite a bit less if we just kept Notley's original one. You'd think that'd be an important factor for people that hate the tax to begin with

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

I actually laughed out loud at the idea the unions of today have any special powers. Decades of pieces of #### like Regan demonizing unions has raped the middle class. I use that word very specifically.

There are a variety of laws which protect unions.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

MINUS EVERYTHING NICE about Florida

So we’re getting gators? Tell me we’re getting gators?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

So we’re getting gators? Tell me we’re getting gators?

Open carry permits as well because well we need our guns.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I mean if you want to play dumb and pretend they weren't attack ads, go nuts, but the point is that they had very little messaging that spoke to their own vision or goals. It was 99% focused on Smith.

Not that the UCP ads were any better...maybe even worse. I didn't particularly find any of the party's messaging particularly inspiring. But hey, I'm no political strategist.

Totally this, and it is the same thing that always happens at the federal level when the other parties focus on Trudeau. They really need to focus on their own positive messages and make people excited to vote for them. Trying to convince them to simply not vote for the other person doesn't actually help convince others to vote for you necessarily.

I understand every party uses attack ad strategy, but that will only take you so far. Attack ads in general are so common and overused, that I think most politically inactive people just get annoyed by them and tune them out. They tend to think both sides are likely spinning.

Conservative parties in Alberta have a large enough base that will always for the conservative party that is most likely to win. The NDP has to rely on the undecided or currently disengaged voters in order to win, so they need to sell themselves to those people, not to people who already hate Danielle Smith anyway.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I mean if you want to play dumb and pretend they weren't attack ads, go nuts, but the point is that they had very little messaging that spoke to their own vision or goals. It was 99% focused on Smith.

Not that the UCP ads were any better...maybe even worse. I didn't particularly find any of the party's messaging particularly inspiring. But hey, I'm no political strategist.

Admittedly I don't listen to much radio or watch TV commercials, so most of what I saw was through Twitter or other online sources. But other than the ads that were just "Danielle Smith has said..." which I don't consider attacks, unless you consider Smith punching herself in the face an NDP attack ad...but what I saw were things like this:

Spoiler!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1661507433712189440

https://twitter.com/user/status/1661799332406853645

https://twitter.com/user/status/1662246895354298368

https://twitter.com/user/status/1662886468367572998

https://twitter.com/user/status/1663342012278382594

https://twitter.com/user/status/1663236359417479168

https://twitter.com/user/status/1663345427230457858

https://twitter.com/user/status/1663296724264206341

So pretty informative, right? I'm not sure what people are asking for, but from what I saw, there was a lot of "this is what we will do" from the NDP. There are also some longer form videos. What do you guys consider a distasteful attack ad? Examples?

[Fuzz]

Smith just says she considers 52% a "really strong mandate." Uh huh. So what's a medium mandate with 2 parties in play? A small mandate?

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Open carry permits as well because well we need our guns.

Sure, but let’s hold on that one just for a little while at first. We’d do well to have a few thousand Albertans get eaten first.