2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by aaronkarlpatton

Crazy trade proposal idea. If you were the gm of the Hawks and got offered Matthew's for first overall (and Matthew's agreed to sign with you), would you make that trade?

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I'd pass. Too much risk that Bedard is just as good and younger

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by aaronkarlpatton

Crazy trade proposal idea. If you were the gm of the Hawks and got offered Matthew's for first overall (and Matthew's agreed to sign with you), would you make that trade?

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No, artificially deflated ELC years are way more valuable for a team than paying market price.

[NewFan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Devils, Sabres, Wings, and Ducks have all deliberately tanked. The Devils are now a top team, the Sabres are poised to join them as soon as next season, and the Wings and Ducks look like they have promising futures.

Tanking doesn’t always work, but it’s a legitimate strategy.

Can you imaging If Flames decided to retool last off season?

Johnny - left
Tkachuk for Huberdeau & Weegar. Both traded during trade deadline for 1st, a couple 2nd and may be a prospect.
Don't trade Monahan so may be traded for a late draft pick. And we keep Florida's 2024 1st.
May be couple of Lindholm, Hanifin, Toffoli, Tanev, backlund traded during trade deadline and prospects
And rest will be traded 2024-2025 drafts and prospect. May be Markstrom and Zadorov, Mangi traded.

So we would have at least 3 1st 2023, 3 1st 2024 and couple extra late round picks plus a couple blue chip prospects to join our very young players.

Then draft top 3 2024 and may be 2025.

I'm sure hockey will be not so good but it will be exciting to see which youngster become our long term core players.

[Roof-Daddy]

The Sabres are not a good example of tanking working.

Sheesh.

They've missed the playoffs 12 years in a row now lol

It's been EIGHT years since they landed Eichel and he's long gone now

[iggyloob12]

Originally Posted by aaronkarlpatton

Crazy trade proposal idea. If you were the gm of the Hawks and got offered Matthew's for first overall (and Matthew's agreed to sign with you), would you make that trade?

Setting aside who will be the better player, Matthews' age doesn't make sense for the Hawks, who are going to be terrible for a few more years.

[NewFan]

I think Chicago will tank next 2 seasons too, so they won't trade their 1st this year.
If they wants to trade their 1st, Oilers should offer one of McDavid or Draisaitl too.

[1qqaaz]

If I were Chicago, I wouldn't even accept McDavid or Makar for Bedard. He's what, 8 years younger? That's quite a difference. Also way more cap efficiency and way longer control.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by NewFan

I think Chicago will tank next 2 seasons too, so they won't trade their 1st this year.
If they wants to trade their 1st, Oilers should offer one of McDavid or Draisaitl too.

If they call Columbus or Anaheim and get the 3OA or 2OA, then package one of those two with it, I'd think about it. Otherwise, no way.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

If I were Chicago, I wouldn't even accept McDavid or Makar for Bedard. He's what, 8 years younger? That's quite a difference. Also way more cap efficiency and way longer control.

If McDavid would sign an extension I'd think hard about it. I don't think Bedard will be McJesus levels of good

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If McDavid would sign an extension I'd think hard about it. I don't think Bedard will be McJesus levels of good

Yeah McDavid is still 26 after all. That said by the time they build the surrounding talent around him he will likely be close to or entering his 30's and the Oilers have proven that as good as he is, he's not good enough to win a cup surrounded by mediocrity.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If McDavid would sign an extension I'd think hard about it. I don't think Bedard will be McJesus levels of good

I wouldn't consider it unless they also acquired a top pick and sent it over. McDavid is a year younger than being Gretzky in Los Angeles. Still a great player, but the best years are in the past. And Chicago doesn't have any Luc Robitailles.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If McDavid would sign an extension I'd think hard about it. I don't think Bedard will be McJesus levels of good

But I don't think Chicago would think about it, because they are not win now. If they tank again next 2 drafts and draft 2 more stars, they could have 3 really good stars at ELC and start another 3 cups win like they did with Kane and Toews. I know McDavid is good, really good but his contract is big, really big. It's hard to have any good supporting cast after that contract. Also, Chicago doesn't need McDavid to sellout, they can sellout with just Bedard.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah McDavid is still 26 after all. That said by the time they build the surrounding talent around him he will likely be close to or entering his 30's and the Oilers have proven that as good as he is, he's not good enough to win a cup surrounded by mediocrity.

I actually think he can become more effective a la Yzerman as he ages if he stops chasing points.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I actually think he can become more effective a la Yzerman as he ages if he stops chasing points.

Only if he has a Scotty Bowman as his coach. No coach in this world would has the ball to tell him what Bowman told Yzerman and since he's been coddled all his career so far, he doesn't have the intelligence Yzerman has.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I actually think he can become more effective a la Yzerman as he ages if he stops chasing points.

Thing about Yzerman - they built a team around him so he could play a more complete game. Federov, Lidstrom, Kozlov, Coffey, Shepard, Ciccarelli, Primeau were there when Bowman took over. Then they add Shanahan, Larionov, tc. Points were nt a big issue for that team.

And Yzerman was still a PPG guy.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The Devils, Sabres, Wings, and Ducks have all deliberately tanked. The Devils are now a top team, the Sabres are poised to join them as soon as next season, and the Wings and Ducks look like they have promising futures.

Tanking doesn’t always work, but it’s a legitimate strategy.

The problem with your argument is that the only one in that group with any kind of success, never actually purposely tanked.

The Devils didn't tank. In fact, they went out and acquired Hall in an attempt to be competitive just before drafting #1 overall. In 2019, they made another blockbuster trade to acquire PK Subban. In 2021 they signed the top UFA defenceman, Dougie Hamilton.

I definitely wouldn't call the Ducks a total tank either. They sold off players, but also retained lots of their talent.

Buffalo could be good in the future, I guess? I can't see how anyone would want to emulate Buffalo's path. They haven't qualified for the playoffs since the 2010/11 season and have had to go through multiple rebuilds, with star players demanding out as they could not take the tank anymore.

There's no doubt that a tank can work. Is it the only strategy now? No.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by blankall

The problem with your argument is that the only one in that group with any kind of success, never actually purposely tanked.

The Devils didn't tank. In fact, they went out and acquired Hall in an attempt to be competitive just before drafting #1 overall. In 2019, they made another blockbuster trade to acquire PK Subban. In 2021 they signed the top UFA defenceman, Dougie Hamilton.

I definitely wouldn't call the Ducks a total tank either. They sold off players, but also retained lots of their talent.

Buffalo could be good in the future, I guess? I can't see how anyone would want to emulate Buffalo's path. They haven't qualified for the playoffs since the 2010/11 season and have had to go through multiple rebuilds, with star players demanding out as they could not take the tank anymore.

There's no doubt that a tank can work. Is it the only strategy now? No.

Well, wasn't Eichel's demand more about the surgery? Or was that an excuse?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, wasn't Eichel's demand more about the surgery? Or was that an excuse?

Either way...putting up with 12 years of missing the playoffs to be maybe good next year is far from something the Flames should try to emulate. The Sabres have gone 16 seasons without a series win. The Sabres 12 season drought is the longest in NHL history by two seasons and counting.

Detroit's now at 7 seasons without playoffs and 10 without a series win.

I'm also not sure I'd call what Chicago did tanking. They held onto their core until they were straight up old. They sold Kane off after he had almost no value. It was more of a forced/natural tank after they'd already driven everything into the ground.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by blankall

Either way...putting up with 12 years of missing the playoffs to be maybe good next year is far from something the Flames should try to emulate. The Sabres have gone 16 seasons without a series win. The Sabres 12 season drought is the longest in NHL history by two seasons and counting.

Detroit's now at 7 seasons without playoffs and 10 without a series win.

I'm also not sure I'd call what Chicago did tanking. They held onto their core until they were straight up old. They sold Kane off after he had almost no value. It was more of a forced/natural tank after they'd already driven everything into the ground.

That's correct, they only rebuilt when they had absolutely no choice.

But once they decided to rebuild, they embraced it with a full tank mode.

They are in spectacular shape now with a great prospect pool, Bedard, tons of drafts picks over the next 3 years and tons of cap room. Even though they have horrible existing players.

Plus they knocked Calgary out of the playoffs and Pittsburgh too, allowing Florida to sneak in. So while the owners were tanking at the end, the players were obviously trying hard, knocking the Hawks from #1 to #3 in the reverse standings, and getting Bedard for their troubles.

Just think, ex-Flame's Buddy Robinson is responsible for Chicago getting Bedard and Florida being in the final.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The Sabres are not a good example of tanking working.

Sheesh.

They've missed the playoffs 12 years in a row now lol

It's been EIGHT years since they landed Eichel and he's long gone now

They are quite deep now with talent. I could see them being in the playoffs for the next decade.