2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Barkov doesn't get recognized enough because he's not scoring, but his 5v5 stats are insane.

People here think Lindholm is the best two way centre after Bergeron but Barkov is better than Lindy. So probably is Kopitar but that’s a different topic.

[Bingo]

The Flames don't have to change their top down philosophy to end up in a retool, but what kind of retool will it be?

The Gaudreau walk clearly affected Conroy and he won't let that happen with either of Hanifin or Lindholm.

If both of them don't sign they are gone, and then we learn what the new world looks like. I'm hoping futures and restock the shorter time line prospect cupboard, but if they take back vets with term it's right back to win now.

Conroy seems to lean younger, but he still reports to the same people.

Fascinating summer coming up.

[Romanrules]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

And Game breakers, Tkachuk has been extremely clutch.

Tkachuk and Bob, the 2 reasons the Panthers are 12-4 in the playoffs.

I know Tkachuk has been good at scoring the game winners in the Hurricanes series. But honestly, sometimes you don't even notice he's out there. Reinhart, Barkov, Bennett, and Verhaeghe have all been consistently more noticeable. This isn't a knock against Tkachuck, he just hasn't been as noticeable as I thought he'd be (i'm basing that mostly on how he played against the Bruins, vs how he's been in rounds 2 & 3).

Bob is the one and only reason they are 11-2 since he's been in net. That Canes-Panthers series really could've went the other way if not for Bobrovsky.

It will be interesting to see how the time off affects the Panthers, I keep thinking back to the Senators run, they had almost 1.5 weeks off to a couple days for the Ducks. Too much time off can negatively affect a hot team.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Romanrules

I know Tkachuk has been good at scoring the game winners in the Hurricanes series. But honestly, sometimes you don't even notice he's out there. Reinhart, Barkov, Bennett, and Verhaeghe have all been consistently more noticeable. This isn't a knock against Tkachuck, he just hasn't been as noticeable as I thought he'd be (i'm basing that mostly on how he played against the Bruins, vs how he's been in rounds 2 & 3).

Bob is the one and only reason they are 11-2 since he's been in net. That Canes-Panthers series really could've went the other way if not for Bobrovsky.

It will be interesting to see how the time off affects the Panthers, I keep thinking back to the Senators run, they had almost 1.5 weeks off to a couple days for the Ducks. Too much time off can negatively affect a hot team.

Bennett and Reinhart? What? I think you’re just seeing what you want to see.

The ice tilts every time Tkachuk is on the ice. He is flat out dominant. Literally has double the production of Reinhart and Bennett.

[Bandwagon Surfer]

Originally Posted by Romanrules

I know Tkachuk has been good at scoring the game winners in the Hurricanes series. But honestly, sometimes you don't even notice he's out there. Reinhart, Barkov, Bennett, and Verhaeghe have all been consistently more noticeable. This isn't a knock against Tkachuck, he just hasn't been as noticeable as I thought he'd be (i'm basing that mostly on how he played against the Bruins, vs how he's been in rounds 2 & 3).

Bob is the one and only reason they are 11-2 since he's been in net. That Canes-Panthers series really could've went the other way if not for Bobrovsky.

It will be interesting to see how the time off affects the Panthers, I keep thinking back to the Senators run, they had almost 1.5 weeks off to a couple days for the Ducks. Too much time off can negatively affect a hot team.

I think the Ducks/Senators series was more about that Ducks team being a playoffs monster than anything else.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

People here think Lindholm is the best two way centre after Bergeron but Barkov is better than Lindy. So probably is Kopitar but that’s a different topic.

At least Lindholm has worked his way into that conversation though. I'm curious what the line of thinking is , is if Lindy is better than Backlund? Is he a better two way center than Backlund?

Either way, Lindholm is a top target for 32 NHL teams.

[Strange Brew]

So does Conroy inherit a better or worse situation than Treliving did?

Better NHL roster.
Older.
Less cap flexibility.
Depends how you define prospects but the BT team he inherited had younger up and coming talent and better pipeline of picks.

I guess less of a clean slate but better positioned to be competitive now.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So does Conroy inherit a better or worse situation than Treliving did?

Better NHL roster.
Older.
Less cap flexibility.
Depends how you define prospects but the BT team he inherited had younger up and coming talent and better pipeline of picks.

I guess less of a clean slate but better positioned to be competitive now.

Treliving got the rebuild situation to walk into. Top 4 pick, just picked 6th the year before (and 2 other times) promising prospects in Gaudreau and Baerstchi. Also good youngish NHL talent in Backlund, Brodie and Gio. While Feaster didn’t add much when he stripped the team down he did have a clean cap sheet for the incoming GM.

Conroy gets a team who is better positioned to win now. There are 4 pretty good prospects in the system but no one more dynamic than Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett. Expectations is Conroy will have a winning team on the ice right away. The cap sheet is far from clean here and decisions need to be made on 7 players in the next 12 months.

If I am GM who wants to build something I would want Treliving’s situation. If the goal is to try and win right away then Conroy has a much better team. If Conroy gets to try and win with this team and then be the guy who rebuilds the team that is an attractive option.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by bax

Bennett and Reinhart? What? I think you’re just seeing what you want to see.

The ice tilts every time Tkachuk is on the ice. He is flat out dominant. Literally has double the production of Reinhart and Bennett.

Yeah a big part of Florida's success has been Tkachuk + Bob and then everyone else.

5V5 With Tkachuk on the Ice:
14 GF
5 GA
56.9 xGF%

5v5 without Tkachuk on the ice:
17 GF
20 GA
41.9 xGF%

Looking at Tkachuk+Bennett Specifically:

Together: 227 minutes, 10 GF / 5 GA - 57.3 xGF%
Tkachuk w/o Bennett: 52 minutes, 4 GF / 0 GA - 55.1% xGF%
Bennett w/o Tkachuk: 26 minutes, 1 GF / 2 GA - 20.4% xGF%

So really it's Tkachuk as the driver for sure, but Bennett isn't hurting Tkachuk at all.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Treliving got the rebuild situation to walk into. Top 4 pick, just picked 6th the year before (and 2 other times) promising prospects in Gaudreau and Baerstchi. Also good youngish NHL talent in Backlund, Brodie and Gio. While Feaster didn’t add much when he stripped the team down he did have a clean cap sheet for the incoming GM.

Conroy gets a team who is better positioned to win now. There are 4 pretty good prospects in the system but no one more dynamic than Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett. Expectations is Conroy will have a winning team on the ice right away. The cap sheet is far from clean here and decisions need to be made on 7 players in the next 12 months.

If I am GM who wants to build something I would want Treliving’s situation. If the goal is to try and win right away then Conroy has a much better team. If Conroy gets to try and win with this team and then be the guy who rebuilds the team that is an attractive option.

Agree with the bolded. Traditionally a rebuild means sucking bad and stockpiling picks.

But I am OK with signing key guys and just stop trading away picks.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So does Conroy inherit a better or worse situation than Treliving did?

Better NHL roster.
Older.
Less cap flexibility.
Depends how you define prospects but the BT team he inherited had younger up and coming talent and better pipeline of picks.

I guess less of a clean slate but better positioned to be competitive now.

I guess one thing is that with a new arena on the horizon, any remaining time at the Dome is almost like free time to throw #### at the wall and see what sticks.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Agree with the bolded. Traditionally a rebuild means sucking bad and stockpiling picks.

But I am OK with signing key guys and just stop trading away picks.

It's pretty obvious that the future success in the NHL, with parity and new draft rules, doesn't necessarily involve either of those extremes. Solid asset management is the key now. Make good trades, sign key guys, etc..

The teams that have purposely tanked for many years in a row all look awful. The teams that are retooling and making smart moves are succeeding.

Conroy will define himself, as GM early, based on how he handles this class of upcoming UFAs. Does he re-sign the key guys? Trade the ones who are leaving anyways? Deal the ones who aren't part of the long term picture? He doesn't need to sell everyone off to succeed.

[CliffFletcher]

The Devils, Sabres, Wings, and Ducks have all deliberately tanked. The Devils are now a top team, the Sabres are poised to join them as soon as next season, and the Wings and Ducks look like they have promising futures.

Tanking doesn’t always work, but it’s a legitimate strategy.

[Poe969]

We also have to wait and see how bedard changes the hawks.

[aaronkarlpatton]

Originally Posted by Poe969

We also have to wait and see how bedard changes the hawks.

Crazy trade proposal idea. If you were the gm of the Hawks and got offered Matthew's for first overall (and Matthew's agreed to sign with you), would you make that trade?

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[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by aaronkarlpatton

Crazy trade proposal idea. If you were the gm of the Hawks and got offered Matthew's for first overall (and Matthew's agreed to sign with you), would you make that trade?

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Matthews at $14 mil or $15 mil? No

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by aaronkarlpatton

Crazy trade proposal idea. If you were the gm of the Hawks and got offered Matthew's for first overall (and Matthew's agreed to sign with you), would you make that trade?

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Zero chance they do that. Matthews would not make them a contender anytime soon.

Bedard won’t either , but he’s at least a start that road. And he’ll be very young when that happens.

[dammage79]

Hot take but uhhh, Bedard >>>>>Matthew's when all is said and done.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by aaronkarlpatton

Crazy trade proposal idea. If you were the gm of the Hawks and got offered Matthew's for first overall (and Matthew's agreed to sign with you), would you make that trade?

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No.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dammage79

At least Lindholm has worked his way into that conversation though. I'm curious what the line of thinking is , is if Lindy is better than Backlund? Is he a better two way center than Backlund?

Either way, Lindholm is a top target for 32 NHL teams.

He’s definitely a better two way centre. Better defensively? Doubt it.