2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[SeanCharles]

The endless delusions will never end with this organization.

We traded away the one young star championship caliber teams need to build around.

Florida has Tkachuk, Barkov and even a young player with more potential than any of our skater prospects in Lundell. Vegas has Eichel leading them with a bunch of top end vets. We don’t have an Eichel and we no longer have a Tkachuk.

Who do we have that stacks up against Eichel, Marchessault, Stone, Pietrangelo, Theodore? Who do we have that matches up against McDavid, Draisatl, Bouchard, RNH? MacKinnon, Rantanen, Makar, Byram? Robertson, Hintz, Hieskanen, Oettinger?

Seattle is only going to improve, Chicago has bottomed out and will only get better. Anaheim’s prospect pool has them on a trajectory to soon be dominating us on the regular again.

I just don’t see how we can be better than these top teams in the West in a 7 game series with the weapons they have and other Western Conference teams are chock full of bluechips that are foundational pieces and will only improve moving forward.

I don’t like admitting we aren’t good enough and won’t win but these players we have are all aging and we don’t have that key young piece that makes it all ok.

[Monahammer]

No offense F_G, but you have to be a fool to think we're analogous to Florida here. I dont think you do, but it would continue to erode my faith in the franchise if they seriously believe that. Especially if Lindy is out.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

The endless delusions will never end with this organization.

We traded away the one young star championship caliber teams need to build around.

Florida has Tkachuk, Barkov and even a young player with more potential than any of our skater prospects in Lundell. Vegas has Eichel leading them with a bunch of top end vets. We don’t have an Eichel and we no longer have a Tkachuk.

Who do we have that stacks up against Eichel, Marchessault, Stone, Pietrangelo, Theodore? Who do we have that matches up against McDavid, Draisatl, Bouchard, RNH? MacKinnon, Rantanen, Makar, Byram? Robertson, Hintz, Hieskanen, Oettinger?

Seattle is only going to improve, Chicago has bottomed out and will only get better. Anaheim’s prospect pool has them on a trajectory to soon be dominating us on the regular again.

I just don’t see how we can be better than these top teams in the West in a 7 game series with the weapons they have and other Western Conference teams are chock full of bluechips that are foundational pieces and will only improve moving forward.

I don’t like admitting we aren’t good enough and won’t win but these players we have are all aging and we don’t have that key young piece that makes it all ok.

The key is the young hot star. You probably need one or two up front and one at the back. I know some love Andersson, but he's no #1 on the back end. The only way to have a good chance to get these guys is to tank. Else, we're left with the St. Louis approach to try and roll four solid lines (more or less). I could see them trying that this year with the young guys, which really beats going with an older lineup from last year. Conroy is right that the young guys can do things others can't. They'll make mistakes but again, with speed they can surprise people. If things don't work out in a season or two they can rebuild. It's unfortunate it wasn't this season but if they house a fast entertaining young team next season to try it out, I'd be happy to hold off a full rebuild for a couple seasons.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

No offense F_G, but you have to be a fool to think we're analogous to Florida here. I dont think you do, but it would continue to erode my faith in the franchise if they seriously believe that. Especially if Lindy is out.

we had a #### season and didn't we have more points ? im not saying we are the same but we have a star who could carry a team to the final like chucky is doing, and we have a goalie that should be alot better, and if he was suddenly red hot going into the playoffs like Bob, and we get the luck and the top teams go out in the 1st round why couldn't we do it?

no offense but you have to be a fool to say it's impossible with what Florida is doing. Did you think Florida would be capable of this before playoffs started? nobody did.

Any team that makes the playoffs has a chance, if they get hot at the right time or a hot goalie.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

we had a #### season and didn't we have more points ? im not saying we are the same but we have a star who could carry a team to the final like chucky is doing, and we have a goalie that should be alot better, and if he was suddenly red hot going into the playoffs like Bob, and we get the luck and the top teams go out in the 1st round why couldn't we do it?

no offense but you have to be a fool to say it's impossible with what Florida is doing. Did you think Florida would be capable of this before playoffs started? nobody did.

Any team that makes the playoffs has a chance, if they get hot at the right time or a hot goalie.

The biggest difference is that Florida has most of their core locked up. The Flames don’t. If they bank all in on next year and then the UFAs walk they will be forced to rebuild. Let’s see what Lindholm does. Not much else matters until they handle him.

[Macho0978]

The only time we had a chance we had Iginls and Kipper. Elite players.

We had to trade an all time great flame to get Iginla.

Different era now but we need to stockpile long term assets. Do this right this year and we could be set up sooner than later. Can’t have guys leave for nothing again.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Dallas is a fairly good example- they're in the 3rd round of the playoffs, with 2 very overpaid vets in Benn and Seguin, who they re-tooled around. LA kept some vets around, and rebuilt too.

Dallas won 2 rounds. It's a big achievement but could you imagine their team if they actually had a couple extra superstars? Then they'd be strongly challenging for the cup. Expectations should be more than try to get in and hope and pray you go on a Cinderella run. I get hoping for that at this stage because they all we can hope for but big picture build a real contender.

[bluejays]

Side question: what's going on with Darrin Duteyshen (sp?) from TSN? I noticed recently when he interviews Button or anyone he's interrupting them to put his two cents in, he's a bit combative to the people he's working with, and just overall has different mannerisms from a few years ago. Can't put my finger on it.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The biggest difference is that Florida has most of their core locked up. The Flames don’t. If they bank all in on next year and then the UFAs walk they will be forced to rebuild. Let’s see what Lindholm does. Not much else matters until they handle him.

oh ya of course, that all matters. Are they in a similar cap space with Chucks contract? I think Lindy is valuable, especially to BJ's, that Conny could get a pretty good return.

I have a feeling, like other players, when they thought Sutter was going to be coach still, he said he wanted out, let's see if Conny can show Lindy how important he is to this team and sign him.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Side question: what's going on with Darrin Duteyshen (sp?) from TSN? I noticed recently when he interviews Button or anyone he's interrupting them to put his two cents in, he's a bit combative to the people he's working with, and just overall has different mannerisms from a few years ago. Can't put my finger on it.

Wow I forgot about him. I haven't watched TSN in years.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Wow I forgot about him. I haven't watched TSN in years.

He was off for some time battling cancer and returned in the fall

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He was off for some time battling cancer and returned in the fall

Damn. He seems different. I had family who had brain cancer and while it's bad, after the initial surgery literally overnight the character of the person completely changed. Hope he's alright.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Damn. He seems different. I had family who had brain cancer and while it's bad, after the initial surgery literally overnight the character of the person completely changed. Hope he's alright.

I have a family member with brain cancer now and forsure it can make you act mean/rude and not like yourself

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I've said it before and will say it again, I have zero positivity in thinking Markstrom will bounce back. I think mentally he's been shelled. The past year and a half some of the easiest goals have gone in at the worst time where to me it says he's broken. It's easy to lose it but it's hard to get back. I'd love if he could come back because he's a likeable person but since getting scored on by McDavid in the playoffs he lost it. I don't know the road back at his age. By virtue of Daryl not being there he gets somewhat better, but good enough to be a difference maker...doubtful.

I have always disliked the Markstrom signing, and I don't think he's a great goalie. At least not now.

But with that said, I think he's very likely to bounce back at least somewhat.
He can't do much worse than he did last year. At least I'd hope not. I also think that part of the reason for his confidence issues could have pertained to the issues in the dressing room, which at this point, seemed to be rather dire. Third, if Wolf plays well, it could put more pressure on Markstrom. Finally, goalies are voodoo and wildly different on a year-to-year basis.

[Jiri Hrdina]

His was prostrate cancer

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I have always disliked the Markstrom signing, and I don't think he's a great goalie. At least not now.

But with that said, I think he's very likely to bounce back at least somewhat.
He can't do much worse than he did last year. At least I'd hope not. I also think that part of the reason for his confidence issues could have pertained to the issues in the dressing room, which at this point, seemed to be rather dire. Third, if Wolf plays well, it could put more pressure on Markstrom. Finally, goalies are voodoo and wildly different on a year-to-year basis.

The signing at the time was great. I was happy with it - big bodied goaltender who kept his position and was mobile. Seemed to be the recipe for big bodied goaltender longevity. Even if he lost his athleticism with age, he was likely going to be good. It just went wrong around Jan 2022. I'm sure everyone here has lost their confidence at some point in their life, and it's hard to get back. Let alone when the cards are stacked against you, and there's millions of dollars at stake, and you have a spotty trackrecord. Must feel like the world is on his shoulders. I really just hope behind the scenes the Flames have great sports psychologists to work with throughout the year and into the summer.

[dino7c]

3 bubble teams have made the finals since 2017
This is not your grand dad's NHL

You need goaltending and need some breaks...teams have never been so even

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by dino7c

3 bubble teams have made the finals since 2017
This is not your grand dad's NHL

You need goaltending and need some breaks...teams have never been so even

This is why good reffing is so important. It really can be the difference between winning and losing a series when the teams are as close as they are.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by dino7c

3 bubble teams have made the finals since 2017
This is not your grand dad's NHL

You need goaltending and need some breaks...teams have never been so even

And Game breakers, Tkachuk has been extremely clutch.

Tkachuk and Bob, the 2 reasons the Panthers are 12-4 in the playoffs.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

And Game breakers, Tkachuk has been extremely clutch.

Tkachuk and Bob, the 2 reasons the Panthers are 12-4 in the playoffs.

Barkov doesn't get recognized enough because he's not scoring, but his 5v5 stats are insane.