[GT] Alberta Votes 2023.

[CroFlames]

As an aside - it really annoys me when people throw around the term nazi. The Nazis were a clearly defined fascist entity in Germany that committed unthinkable crimes at an unimaginable scale in the name of volksdeutsche when they took power. Deutsche being the operative word here.

You can be a fascist from another country other than Germany, and in that case, you are just a fascist. I know people like to use the term because it bites, but it cheapens your case IMO. You could argue DeSantis is fascist leaning - but he is not a nazi.

Anyway - back to election talk you nazis.

[Ford Prefect]

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[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

A lady who compared Trans people to literal #### won her riding. If you live in that riding and voted for her, you are a bigot.

70 fuuucking per cent! Seventy.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by FunkMasterFlame

I think a lot of people need to look themselves in the mirror this morning for how vitriolic they've acted towards UCP supporters in recent weeks.

In this thread alone UCP voters have been called stupid, bigots and racists numerous times, compared to Orcs from LOTR for supporting freedom of choice when it comes to personal medical decisions, and even declared the entire conservative ideology as neo-fascists on post #90 with a bunch of likes from the usual suspects.

Its ugly, elitist, and incredibly intolerant behavior that probably contributed to the loss by not being able to swing more people on the fence to vote for the NDP.

You'll never win "hearts and minds" by berating people as stupid, bigoted morons for having differences of opinion from you.

I'll be brutally honest, any conservative who is butt hurt over the vitriol can go suck ass. As an NDP supporter, and yes I am also support the Federal NDP, it is nothing but constant abuse I have to ensure in this province. The #### being thrown from the conservative side has been just as bad and in many cases worse over at least the last decade. The 4 years the NDP were in power it was a constant fight.

So with all respect, you can #### right off with this UCP high ground bull####. The same issue is even more prevalent in the US, the Left is supposed to be above it all and the rational ones, but as soon as we get feisty and throw the same garbage back at you, its all tears and "you guys aren't nice".

This hateful talk was started by the right and now the left is done being the "nice ones" its all UCP snowflakes crying about being called names.

[Kickazzflames]

Originally Posted by Muta

Yoho, zamler, and other UCP voters - how do you now go about fixing healthcare in this province? How do you convince the current (depleted) number of qualified and experienced doctors to stay? Continuing to be combative simply won't work; there is lots of discussion behind the scenes right now of doctors going to other provinces, even moreso now that the election is over. How do you suggest we fix this?

Easy, we just copy another province that has healthcare figured out. Voila.


Things are just going to get worse unless something significant changes. This provinces population growth is booming and if we don't get a handle on Housing, Healthcare, and Education, people and industry professionals will be looking at alternatives. I myself have been considering the States for quite awhile now. Only thing that has kept me here is family and the bounce back in the price for Oil.

[CgyFlamesftw]

Long time Tory supporter. Did not vote this time due to Smith being crazy and I couldn’t force myself to vote NDP. However how do NDP supporters not feel like this is a victory, they cleaned house in Edmonton (as usual) and are slowly taking over Calgary. Come next election it’s looking like NDP majority with their trajectory.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I think you could look at everyone's posting history, including your own, and recall that.

Doesn't mean it can't be called out. I am sure I was when I was doing it.

Odds are low.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Challenge it then. You don't believe 50% of Ontario woke up thinking we weren't a group of unwashed bigots this morning? Call your friends and find out.

There were probably a thousand reasons not to vote for the UCP. "Oh, but what will people from Ontario think of us if they win" was not among them.

[Ford Prefect]

Originally Posted by Muta

Rural Alberta is in for an even bigger world of hurt when it comes to healthcare now. Buckle up.

Indeed. I’m a rural Albertan and rural Alberta has never been bled of money and resources that way it has under the UCP. I assume that’s because they know rural Alberta is locked up for them, so they bleed resources from vote poor rural areas to use in vote rich urban areas. I’ve tried to convince people of that, but they’re too brainwashed by partisan fanaticism.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Oh yeah. There are a few. I've met them, and if they were in my riding i would have been voting NDP.

You admit that there are a few bigots within the UCP.
You understand, presumably, that when a party forms government it selects from within it's membership (by convention sitting members) people to fill important government ministry roles. Those people that you assisted in voting in (the bigots) are now likely to fill some important ministry roles. Direct control over aspects of our day to day lives.

Do you not see how electing bigots here is a problem? Do you really not understand how your vote supporting the "non-bigot" (doubtful) within your riding are in fact also supporting the reality of more bigots filling important government roles?

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

As an aside - it really annoys me when people throw around the term nazi. The Nazis were a clearly defined fascist entity in Germany that committed unthinkable crimes at an unimaginable scale in the name of volksdeutsche when they took power. Deutsche being the operative word here.

You can be a fascist from another country other than Germany, and in that case, you are just a fascist. I know people like to use the term because it bites, but it cheapens your case IMO. You could argue DeSantis is fascist leaning - but he is not a nazi.

Anyway - back to election talk you nazis.

Agreed. She didn’t actually compare them to Nazis, but Nazi followers. Most of them weren’t actually Nazis.

[Matata]

people in ontario can suck a fart out of my ass like bong hit.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

As an aside - it really annoys me when people throw around the term nazi. The Nazis were a clearly defined fascist entity in Germany that committed unthinkable crimes at an unimaginable scale in the name of volksdeutsche when they took power. Deutsche being the operative word here.

You can be a fascist from another country other than Germany, and in that case, you are just a fascist. I know people like to use the term because it bites, but it cheapens your case IMO. You could argue DeSantis is fascist leaning - but he is not a nazi.

Anyway - back to election talk you nazis.

Finally this thread gets to the good stuff - semantics!

I think if you're a neo-Nazi it's pretty fair to call you a Nazi... and most of those aren't from or in any way connected to Germany.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CgyFlamesftw

Long time Tory supporter. Did not vote this time due to Smith being crazy and I couldn’t force myself to vote NDP. However how do NDP supporters not feel like this is a victory, they cleaned house in Edmonton (as usual) and are slowly taking over Calgary. Come next election it’s looking like NDP majority with their trajectory.

Because Smith is so aweful. If someone who has broken the law, lied steadily, and shown no competence to govern or make reasonable decisions can somehow convince people she is capable, then what hope does any future election hold? the electorate is either ignorant or satisfied with Smith. Those are both incredibly depressing possibilities. Besides, the next 4 years are going to disassemble a lot of what we CANADIANS hold dear. What will even be left to save?

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

You admit that there are a few bigots within the UCP.
You understand, presumably, that when a party forms government it selects from within it's membership (by convention sitting members) people to fill important government ministry roles. Those people that you assisted in voting in (the bigots) are now likely to fill some important ministry roles. Direct control over aspects of our day to day lives.

Do you not see how electing bigots here is a problem? Do you really not understand how your vote supporting the "non-bigot" (doubtful) within your riding are in fact also supporting the reality of more bigots filling important government roles?

It must be very stressful living in such a binary world.

[Monahammer]

I used Ontario as a bellweather. It's the most populous province, mea culpa. But pick literally anywhere else in Canada outside of flatland and they think we are marching back to the stone age. Some of you apparently live in an Alberta bubble, but I have to routinely converse and engage with people external to our little Alabama like republic. So yeah, I am a bit stressed about how they're going to see/ treat us. It has already been bad, it will now be worse.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

It must be very stressful living in such a binary world.

Yes, bigotry is binary. You are or you arent.

You are. I am confident in saying that.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Yes, bigotry is binary. You are or you arent.

You are. I am confident in saying that.

Luckily I do not care what you think.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

It must be very stressful living in such a binary world.

Though in direct relation to what you replied to, it occurs to me that you are unlikely to understand what the word binary means. It means 2 selections, yes or no. 0 or 1 if you're a computer.

[chedder]

One reporter called it a controlled fall for the UCP. Seems apt.

Waiting to see the vote breakdown by age in the Calgary suburbs. I'm guessing that will shine some light on how the UCP held on.