05-30-2023, 12:48 AM
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#1701
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Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I don't want to bring politics into this, but I guess with the UCP winning, this thing is 100% a go now? Or are there still things that need to go right before shovels hit the ground?
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I would think so. Didn't Smith said as long as UCP win the election, provincial money is in for the infrastructure? And Calgary City Council voted unanimously in favor? Now that the agony of election is over, please just pick a date and let that shovel hit the ground.
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05-30-2023, 12:59 AM
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#1702
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Smith did say it will need to be approved by the cabinet, so there's always a chance they vote no, but I'd say that's unlikely.
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05-30-2023, 01:07 AM
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#1703
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I don't want to bring politics into this, but I guess with the UCP winning, this thing is 100% a go now? Or are there still things that need to go right before shovels hit the ground?
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I think the only thing that could get in the way now is if Murray and CSEC think that maybe they can put the screws in for an even sweeter deal. But I think that's more likely to be backroom "give us an even bigger discount on this adjacent land" type stuff.
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05-30-2023, 07:40 AM
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#1704
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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The only bright side of the election results in my opinion is the arena deal is very very likely going to move forward.
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05-30-2023, 07:54 AM
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#1705
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Location: victoria
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
The only bright side of the election results in my opinion is the arena deal is very very likely going to move forward.
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I know it may seem bleak to non conservatives. But the NDP has not done well for us here in BC.
Not sure if you are a big NDP person. I for one feel there is no party that I truly believe in, but I loathe the NDP here in BC right now. Province is a bit of a disaster
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05-30-2023, 08:24 AM
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#1706
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Originally Posted by Moneyhands23
I know it may seem bleak to non conservatives. But the NDP has not done well for us here in BC.
Not sure if you are a big NDP person. I for one feel there is no party that I truly believe in, but I loathe the NDP here in BC right now. Province is a bit of a disaster
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Not a big NDP person but very much anti UCP/Smith.
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05-30-2023, 08:36 AM
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#1707
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Location: victoria
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
Not a big NDP person but very much anti UCP/Smith.
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Sounds like similar boat then. No real party to represent your interests/priorities.
The party system sucks these days.
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05-30-2023, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Moneyhands23
I know it may seem bleak to non conservatives. But the NDP has not done well for us here in BC.
Not sure if you are a big NDP person. I for one feel there is no party that I truly believe in, but I loathe the NDP here in BC right now. Province is a bit of a disaster
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Not sure I'd entirely agree with that. Horgan - generally - was pretty decent as a leader and during the pandemic-infected years of 2020 and 2021 was very careful and judicious of his handling of COVID. Almost *nothing* was shut down ... and people went about their usual lives with restrictions, but no lockdowns and little heavy-handedness from gov't. Financially stable (surprising!) as well. Yes, BC is quite a bit more expensive taxwise than Alberta for individuals. (BC = "Bring Cash").
Eby has been a mess and the province as well since he took over - that is for sure. But he's not a nutbar like the new AB premier.
Will all this crap translate to hundreds of millions for Murray Edwards and the CSEC gang? Who knows? Will Van now want a new arena? LOL.
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05-30-2023, 08:57 AM
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#1709
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by getbak
Smith did say it will need to be approved by the cabinet, so there's always a chance they vote no, but I'd say that's unlikely.
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Given that virtually ALL UCP members are rural, there is every chance they will vote it down. They have a stunning lack of success in the two big cities and zero incentive now to honour their deal. Maybe in four years....
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05-30-2023, 09:02 AM
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UCP is gonna bail on a lot of things... hopefully the arena isn't one of them
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05-30-2023, 09:06 AM
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#1711
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Originally Posted by taxbuster
Given that virtually ALL UCP members are rural, there is every chance they will vote it down. They have a stunning lack of success in the two big cities and zero incentive now to honour their deal. Maybe in four years....
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Wasn't Calgary the big battleground? Without some support in Calgary and the 12 or so seats they held onto, the UCP don't win that election.
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05-30-2023, 09:10 AM
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#1712
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Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Wasn't Calgary the big battleground? Without some support in Calgary and the 12 or so seats they held onto, the UCP don't win that election.
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Well yes, but that election is over now.
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05-30-2023, 09:19 AM
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#1713
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Originally Posted by dino7c
UCP is gonna bail on a lot of things... hopefully the arena isn't one of them
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It is helping out a billaionaire businessman so this won’t be something they bail on.
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05-30-2023, 09:51 AM
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If we're stuck with the UCP, we better get the new arena aka consolation prize...
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05-30-2023, 09:54 AM
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#1715
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Well yes, but that election is over now.
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The issue is governing. Not interested in getting into a political discussion, point is simply that Calgary is very relevant to the fortunes of the ruling party.
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05-30-2023, 09:57 AM
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#1716
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
The issue is governing. Not interested in getting into a political discussion, point is simply that Calgary is very relevant to the fortunes of the ruling party.
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Not for another four years it ain't. Like the Flames chances of competing for the Cup next year.
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05-30-2023, 09:57 AM
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#1717
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Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Calgary
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Expectation is it'll pass cabinet approval and get approved by the provincial treasury in August for the mid-cycle budget adjustment.
Next thing up is contracts.
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05-30-2023, 09:59 AM
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#1718
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by zuluking
If we're stuck with the UCP, we better get the new arena aka consolation prize...
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You will. The UCP is not going to commit party suicide by backing out of that. Not to mention it is helping out a billionaire as well.
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05-30-2023, 10:06 AM
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#1719
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Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: victoria
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Originally Posted by taxbuster
Not sure I'd entirely agree with that. Horgan - generally - was pretty decent as a leader and during the pandemic-infected years of 2020 and 2021 was very careful and judicious of his handling of COVID. Almost *nothing* was shut down ... and people went about their usual lives with restrictions, but no lockdowns and little heavy-handedness from gov't. Financially stable (surprising!) as well. Yes, BC is quite a bit more expensive taxwise than Alberta for individuals. (BC = "Bring Cash").
Eby has been a mess and the province as well since he took over - that is for sure. But he's not a nutbar like the new AB premier.
Will all this crap translate to hundreds of millions for Murray Edwards and the CSEC gang? Who knows? Will Van now want a new arena? LOL.
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Eby is a complete disaster...but I do think John from Langford was pretty even keel. I think his government did OK during covid, but I think that he definitely made some mistakes (but so did everyone).
It was a rough go for me and my family during Covid. It was not easy to stay in hotels and live, but that was partly my fault for taking on 2 new children in my care and giving up my space in my foster/group home. The need for beds and people willing to take on more during covid was just so high though and I couldn't say no. I felt the closures and restrictions a lot. My kids in care really struggled with out their programs.
But that's over now and it's mostly the current NDP that concerns me and the lack of a real alternative. The amount of open drug use in family areas is pretty nuts right now. And it's leading to serious safety risks for everyone.lack of doctors, cost of daily living ect.
Don't even get me started on the debacle at bc housing, bc ferries and ICBC lol
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05-30-2023, 10:07 AM
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#1720
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Originally Posted by taxbuster
Not for another four years it ain't. Like the Flames chances of competing for the Cup next year.
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I don't understand that comparison.
Of course you may believe the ruling party won't honor their promises because nothing matters for four years. That's not how I think about governing, but I don't want to debate that.
But your original point was that only the rural ridings matter and i just don't think that's true. Edmonton and the rural areas seem to be locked in. Calgary is in fact what matters.
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