[GT] Alberta Votes 2023.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

The last time the NDP was in charge?

Sorry, but if you're making that assertion, you need to provide, as a bare minimum, a reputable source that (a) companies invested less after the NDP were elected; and (b) that reduction in investment was because the NDP were elected. That's only fair (IMO).

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Sorry, but if you're making that assertion, you need to provide, as a bare minimum, (a) a reputable source that companies invested less after the NDP were elected; and (b) that reduction in investment was because the NDP were elected. That's only fair (IMO).

Source: Trust me bro

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Source: Trust me bro

Come on, even the most rabid NDP defenders will admit the party is not friendly to Alberta oil production.

https://boereport.com/2019/04/15/alb...under-the-ndp/

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Sorry, but if you're making that assertion, you need to provide, as a bare minimum, a reputable source that (a) companies invested less after the NDP were elected; and (b) that reduction in investment was because the NDP were elected. That's only fair (IMO).

2 minute Google news search…

https://calgaryherald.com/business/e...95dac79b4/amp/

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Sorry, but if you're making that assertion, you need to provide, as a bare minimum, a reputable source that (a) companies invested less after the NDP were elected; and (b) that reduction in investment was because the NDP were elected. That's only fair (IMO).

He or she probably voted UCP because Eric Francis told them too or no arena.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by zamler

Come on, even the most rabid NDP defenders will admit the party is not friendly to Alberta oil production.

https://boereport.com/2019/04/15/alb...under-the-ndp/

What pays the bills in this province again? It’s funny how many people forget that these days.

[dammage79]

So when do the results start trickling in?

[curves2000]

Debating on if I should go for a quick 45 minute walk and come back for the results? Are these tabulators they are using going to produce the results to the media right away? Or are they still going to manually count today's ballots?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

I live in a system with two tier health that is not the US. If you have some links can you please put them forward as I'm curious to see some data on the topic, especially for chronic disease.

Anecdotally the public system is fast and efficient here and delivers better care than what I experienced in Calgary when I lived there. Private health care costs a family for the top level $500/mo, and basic hospital cover for an individual is $100 / mo. You do have out of pocket costs to see a GP ($60 for telehealth and $80 for in person). After the initial cost the GP will bulk bill you (no out of pocket costs anymore) and there are refund codes under the public system that you submit your receipts into the app and get your refund direct to your bank account.

There is a reduction in taxes with health insurance to encourage those with means to hold private insurance and it's basically a 1 for 1 trade off until you get to the top brackets.

The cool thing that happens with a private system is that you have research, biotech and pharma sectors that pop up for investment and jobs.

As for doctors not being available, I always thought the two tier system encouraged more doctors. The stats here show that we have 4.1 physicians per 1000, to 2.4 physicians per 1000 for Canada, so there is some support for two tier creating more opportunities for smart people to enter the field.

The problem with your bottom few paragraphs is that the US spends more than double per capita, so if you want apples to apples, Canada would have to fund our system properly. It's setup to fail, so surprise surprise, it fails.

https://www.cihi.ca/en/national-heal...-2022-snapshot

Here's a recent article on privatization not working:

It showed that Ontario, which wants to follow the lead of other provinces, actually had the shortest waiting times in Canada for hip and knee replacement surgeries in 2021/2022 — 73 per cent of Ontario patients received knee replacement surgery within six months.

By comparison, patients in provinces outsourcing surgeries to for-profit clinics waited longer. In British Columbia, only 70 per cent of patients received knee replacements within six months, while in Alberta, it was 53 per cent and in Quebec, 48 per cent.

Public hospitals, according to Urbach, are funded to do a specific number of surgeries per year, and provincial governments could pay to schedule more surgeries at night or on the weekends. But when there are two parallel and competing systems, a bigger problem emerges: staffing.

"We need people," said Urbach. "The bottleneck right now is particularly nursing care."

Ultimately, it's about best outcomes. And studies of the U.K. and U.S, have shown that for-profit care is linked to slightly higher death rates.


In one study, which tracked seven years of outsourcing between 2013 and 2020 from Britain's National Health Service (NHS) to the private sector, researchers found that every one per cent increase in private for-profit services corresponded to deaths going up by 0.38 per cent per 100,000 people. Based on that data, the researchers believe for-profit care could have been responsible for 557 additional deaths from 2014 to 2019.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/priva...oney-1.6777470

I'm not going to go hunting, there is lots of info out there if people want the facts. Just please don't look at the Frasier Institute for reality. I just wish people would find this for themselves before using it as a reason for voting for the UCP's ideas. Is that really too much to ask?

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He or she probably voted UCP because Eric Francis told them too or no arena.

He voted UCP because he wanted to. The same reason you voted NDP because you wanted to.

Eric Francis is a tool.

I also love the fact we’re getting a new arena (depending on who wins the election) because there is a ton of benefit to the city. I don’t give a flying $&@% if my taxes go up a fraction.

[Looch City]

I think Cons literally can’t think of any other industry than Oil and Gas. So stupidity one minded. Looking forward to the next bust! And then boom! And then bust!

Wait why does this keep happening?

[zamler]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

What pays the bills in this province again?

Fairy dust. It will pay for everything all we have to do is push the button.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Looch City

I think Cons literally can’t think of any other industry than Oil and Gas. So stupidity one minded. Looking forward to the next bust! And then boom! And then bust!

Wait why does this keep happening?

You do realize what pays for everything in this province right?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by zamler

Come on, even the most rabid NDP defenders will admit the party is not friendly to Alberta oil production.

https://boereport.com/2019/04/15/alb...under-the-ndp/

Counter point in a single handy chart, do you think Conservative leadership would have been able to keep the party going after prices crashed and outlook on recovery was bleak? I don't. Investment was already slowing and the NDP were easy to scapegoat and say its their fault we are laying people off and not investing.

Spoiler!

I do think the NDP should re-brand as their name does carry a really bad reputation but the ANDP is a center-right fiscal party.

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

2 minute Google news search…

https://calgaryherald.com/business/e...95dac79b4/amp/

The price of Oil plummeted that year. It was over a hundred a barrel at one point in 2014 and ended up at 37 to close 2015. The Further away we got from that article (August 2015) the more we knew it was the price of Oil and not a royalty review. The economic downturn we had heading into 2016 had nothing to do with whatever party Alberta had at the time.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

You do realize what pays for everything in this province right?

It pays the pockets of the rich yes. All I see is record profits against our failing healthcare and education.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

2 minute Google news search…

https://calgaryherald.com/business/e...95dac79b4/amp/

(1) A Calgary Herald article relying entirely on statements from energy industry producers and their advocate organizations is not what I mean when I say reputable (think non-partisan peer-reviewed study); and

(2) from the cited article:

In June, energy analysts at TD Securities released a report that suggested Saskatchewan and B.C. would benefit from “capex leakage” as producers divert capital away from Alberta exploration programs out of fear of the review of oil and gas royalties.

It said the previous Conservative royalty review resulted in negative consequences for the Alberta energy sector that took years to recover from and could easily be repeated.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by zamler

Clearly you don't know enough about Fuzz. This person is terrified of any opinions other than their own and wants them all banned. They even made a thread about it.

This is a nice dream. Making it happen is a whole other thing.

What thread was that?

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

He voted UCP because he wanted to. The same reason you voted NDP because you wanted to.

Eric Francis is a tool.

I also love the fact we’re getting a new arena (depending on who wins the election) because there is a ton of benefit to the city. I don’t give a flying $&@% if my taxes go up a fraction.

Politics these days.

Right wing - I don’t agree but you vote is your own

Left wing - I respect your bravery for telling me your vote, but you obviously voted for anti Canadian and abhorrent reasons

Also left wing - The right has sewered political debate

(I voted Alberta Party full transparency, can’t vote Smith and won’t appease NDP fanatics)

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

Politics these days.

Right wing - I don’t agree but you vote is your own

Left wing - I respect your bravery for telling me your vote, but you obviously voted for anti Canadian and abhorrent reasons

Also left wing - The right has sewered political debate

(I voted Alberta Party full transparency, can’t vote Smith and won’t appease NDP fanatics)

Yeah that’s totally accurate. An incredibly unbiased take of both sides from one of the boards most revered centrists.