2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It was reported that Carolina made an offer for Lindholm at the trade deadline, but the Flames declined to trade him. It would be interesting to know what they offered. Some speculated that it was a package with Seth Jarvis as the main piece coming back.

Not true.

It was first Andrew Mangiapane then circled back to see about Tyler Toffoli. Jarvis was never offered or discussed.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Your reading comprehension is beyond terrible. I don't know how many times it has to be pointed out to you that is with an extension in place. Yet your argument always comes back to 1 year of Lindholm. So either get with the actual debate here or I am just going to ignore you.

That is not how trades work though, teams don't give up value for a UFA based on re-signing him.

Feel free to ignore me, no loss on my part, but just because you are creating a scenario that doesn't happen means I have to live in fantasy land. I will discuss trade issues based on how the NHL actually works.

The Horvat trade has been shown to be a similar kind of trade, it didn't come close to the 3rd overall value. UFA's are traded all the time never once has any return been close to a 3rd overall pick.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Except they totally can. It's called moving other pieces. This is another weak argument people come up with, like if we sign Lindholm that's it, the roster is locked, no other moves can be made.

Why would you want another 30 yrs old for 7-8 more years?

2 are not enough?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Sure, you have a shot at those players, but there's risk. That's the whole point - some of them turn out, and some don't.

Yup there are risks. But at #3, the risk/reward is damn good

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Except they totally can. It's called moving other pieces. This is another weak argument people come up with, like if we sign Lindholm that's it, the roster is locked, no other moves can be made.

Mathematically they can yes, but would take trading away guys who are making the 4-5.5M dollar range.

But realistically this team if it wants to compete in the next decade simply cannot afford to lock up 6 guys over 7 years all over the age of 30 basically. We’d be the next post cup ERA Blackhawks without 2 cup winning superstars.

What a disaster that would be.

So while you’re not technically wrong, it would be absolutely crippling to the franchise.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Of all the 30 year olds in the league if you were told you could sign one to a 7-8 year contract, Lindholm would easily be in the top 10 for most appealing/least painful in the outlook.

If only we didn't sign two other contracts shortly prior to it for much less appealing aging players.

I wouldn't roll the dice unless you can unload one of those other two. In other words, Kadri. Huby's contract is too long and too rich.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Yup there are risks. But at #3, the risk/reward is damn good

It's one of those upper echelon drafts too. 2003-esque. So chances are you're looking at the Sedins, Toews, Draisaitls, Huberdeaus of the third overall pool.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Not true.

It was first Andrew Mangiapane then circled back to see about Tyler Toffoli. Jarvis was never offered or discussed.

I'll take your word for it. It was reported by Russo and Duhatchek, and repeated by Friedman, but they all could have had the same wrong source.

https://flamesnation.ca/news/friedma...trade-deadline

The Athletic’s Michael Russo confirmed what had been suspected: that Carolina made an inquiry to Calgary about Elias Lindholm.

https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2023/0...-deadline.html

According to Michael Russo and Eric Duhatschek, the Hurricanes tried hard to re-acquire Lindholm at the 2023 trade deadline. This would have firmly stuck him in the second line center role and shored that up for this season and next at a $4.85 million AAV cap hit.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Of all the 30 year olds in the league if you were told you could sign one to a 7-8 year contract, Lindholm would easily be in the top 10 for most appealing/least painful in the outlook.

If only we didn't sign two other contracts shortly prior to it for much less appealing aging players.

I wouldn't roll the dice unless you can unload one of those other two. In other words, Kadri. Huby's contract is too long and too rich.

Umm. Friedman said to expect $8.5 x 8. After 3 years no chance it ages well.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Mathematically they can yes, but would take trading away guys who are making the 4-5.5M dollar range.

But realistically this team if it wants to compete in the next decade simply cannot afford to lock up 6 guys over 7 years all over the age of 30 basically. We’d be the next post cup ERA Blackhawks without 2 cup winning superstars.

What a disaster that would be.

So while you’re not technically wrong, it would be absolutely crippling to the franchise.

So trading Backlund and Tanev would absolutely cripple the franchise? I disagree.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Spurs

That is not how trades work though, teams don't give up value for a UFA based on re-signing him.

Feel free to ignore me, no loss on my part, but just because you are creating a scenario that doesn't happen means I have to live in fantasy land. I will discuss trade issues based on how the NHL actually works.

The Horvat trade has been shown to be a similar kind of trade, it didn't come close to the 3rd overall value. UFA's are traded all the time never once has any return been close to a 3rd overall pick.

Lmao, yes that never happens...except the team literally did this with Tkachuk. Yup, you sure know how the NHL works, so much so you can't even remember what this team did a year ago!

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Umm. Friedman said to expect $8.5 x 8. After 3 years no chance it ages well.

Like Bergeron right? Boston surely regrets hanging onto him that long.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Why would you want another 30 yrs old for 7-8 more years?

2 are not enough?

Lindholm is 28. Go look at up SC champs, it is littered with teams that had their key players signed to 7-8 year deals in their late 20's.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Lmao, yes that never happens...except the team literally did this with Tkachuk. Yup, you sure know how the NHL works, so much so you can't even remember what this team did a year ago!

LOL

No that isn't what happened with Tkachuk. Take a look at the age and contract differences between him and Lindholm that make the deals totally different.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Like Bergeron right? Boston surely regrets hanging onto him that long.

Bergeron has always been a better player. And just because it worded out for him doesn’t mean it’ll work out for everyone akin to him. One could argue he’s an exception but you’re making him to be the norm.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Spurs

LOL

No that isn't what happened with Tkachuk. Take a look at the age and contract differences between him and Lindholm that make the deals totally different.

That is what happened with Tkachuk, age has nothing to do with it. You can admit your wrong you know?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Bergeron has always been a better player. And just because it worded out for him doesn’t mean it’ll work out for everyone akin to him. One could argue he’s an exception but you’re making him to be the norm.

Or Malkin? Or Giroux? Or Joe Pavelski? Or Zuccarello? Or Kopitar? Sure are plenty of exceptions...

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Or Malkin? Or Giroux? Or Joe Pavelski? Or Zuccarello? Or Kopitar? Sure are plenty of exceptions...

Spends on your definition now. Malkin two way player? How many of those are $8.5M worth no matter how you classify them? I’d say none.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Spends on your definition now. Malkin two way player? How many of those are $8.5M worth no matter how you classify them? I’d say none.

I am pointing out those guys are still productive at mid 30's. Even at 36 Lindholm will still be a very valuable player. Also by that time $8.5M won't even be that big of a salary. You don't think Kopitar is worth that, a similar player to Lindholm? Btw, he makes more than 8.5

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am pointing out those guys are still productive at mid 30's. Even at 36 Lindholm will still be a very valuable player. Also by that time $8.5M won't even be that big of a salary.

There are thoughts we may be nearing the peak of tv deals. That’s another topic but I think ultimately we agree to disagree. The team needs flexibility given the locking in if Huberdeau and Kadri among others. Adding another makes no sense though Lindholm is better than Kadri.