2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Lindholm has scored 40 goals once, and that was playing on a line with two of the best passers in the game. Besides that season, he has never scored 30.

GMs aren’t going to trade for him based on that season. They’ll valuate him as the 25-30 goal, 65-75 point two-way center he has been for the rest of his career.

We have a pretty good comparable in Horvat. He got the Canucks a young middle-six forward, a pretty good prospect, and late 1st. Expect a somewhat better return for Lindholm.

I actually heard Friedman using Horvat as a comparable when he was talking about what Lindholm's next deal would look like.

[FlamesAddiction]

It was reported that Carolina made an offer for Lindholm at the trade deadline, but the Flames declined to trade him. It would be interesting to know what they offered. Some speculated that it was a package with Seth Jarvis as the main piece coming back.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Lindholm has scored 40 goals once, and that was playing on a line with two of the best passers in the game. Besides that season, he has never scored 30.

GMs aren’t going to trade for him based on that season. They’ll valuate him as the 25-30 goal, 65-75 point two-way center he has been for the rest of his career.

We have a pretty good comparable in Horvat. He got the Canucks a young middle-six forward, a pretty good prospect, and late 1st. Expect a somewhat better return for Lindholm.

It is not a late 1st it is a middle of the round 1st and a pick in the teens.

But what you are saying is expect a return like Roslivic, Sillenger, 22nd overall than the third overall pick? With that I agree with you.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It is not a late 1st it is a middle of the round 1st and a pick in the teens.

But what you are saying is expect a return like Roslivic, Sillenger, 22nd overall than the third overall pick? With that I agree with you.

Yup, I think if there is mutual interest between Lindholm and the Jackets then something like that will be the base. No clue if true on the Canes and Jarvis but I'd take Jarvis over that package. Would be hilarious to keep the trade tree going as well.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nope, too much. I get that people on here love to undervalue our assets while overvaluing others. A 3rd or a B prospect attached to an extended Lindholm is fair value. If Columbus says no that is fine by me, there are 30 other teams that will all be bidding on that guy, let them drive the value up. If push came to shove and you really like the player at 3 I might be ok with a guy like Zary added. Anything more and I would look elsewhere.

3rd overalls don't grow on tree's, the biggest problem is the flames can't afford to pay a 29 year old Lindholm $8-9 million but the BJ's are one of very few who could, sure, if someone could or would offer more I'd be happy but I can't see it.

I know all drafts aren't alike but you mention Zary (24th) like he's a 3rd or B prospect but you think adding the 16th is too much?

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

I still think that at some point a team needs to take a gamble and go for it, they can't be re-build forever.

I see your point. Not so much to put them over the top into a true contender, but maybe the owner wants the team to be competitive enough to make the playoffs (we know an owner like that) and a top line of Gaudreau, Lindholm, and Laine would be appealing. They might want to take advantage of the ‘Gaudreau window’ faster than a 3OA would develop. Not a good hockey move IMO but plausible from an ownership perspective.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I see your point. Not so much to put them over the top into a true contender, but maybe the owner wants the team to be competitive enough to make the playoffs (we know an owner like that) and a top line of Gaudreau, Lindholm, and Laine would be appealing. They might want to take advantage of the ‘Gaudreau window’ faster than a 3OA would develop. Not a good hockey move IMO but plausible from an ownership perspective.

Exactly. Owner wants his team to win games, get in the playoff and win a round or two or three. Especially he already shelled out big money for Gaudreau and Laine. Gaudreau is 29, and Laine only sign for 5 years? The 3rd OA might or might not develop in time to have any success with those two. As an owner, you can't really fault him that he wants to see his team succeed now instead of in 3 to 5 years.

[Spurs]

They can go for it without giving up a ridiculously high price.

Making a reasonable trade around Sillinger and the 22nd is still going for it, not constantly rebuilding.

[butterfly]

I'd rather have their 2024 1st than Cole Sillinger.

[Bingo Jr.]

Even if Lindy wants to re-sign, are we really comfortable having that many large contracts? I think not. Kadri deal kind of hindered our capability to keep him in a logical sense.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

3rd overalls don't grow on tree's, the biggest problem is the flames can't afford to pay a 29 year old Lindholm $8-9 million but the BJ's are one of very few who could, sure, if someone could or would offer more I'd be happy but I can't see it.

I know all drafts aren't alike but you mention Zary (24th) like he's a 3rd or B prospect but you think adding the 16th is too much?

Whomever we take at 16 will be a better prospect than Zary whom I think is a B prospect.

[dissentowner]

I am still waiting for someone to compile a list of all these 3rd overall picks in the past that are better than Lindholm.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am still waiting for someone to compile a list of all these 3rd overall picks in the past that are better than Lindholm.

Not a bad list, really.

[Flamesfan05]

Plus Lindholm is going to be 30 with a long term ~8M contract that the Flames can not afford to sign

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am still waiting for someone to compile a list of all these 3rd overall picks in the past that are better than Lindholm.

It’s not just about player to player comparison. It’s about the third overall being a player you can have on a cheap entry deal and then the cheaper rfa years

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am still waiting for someone to compile a list of all these 3rd overall picks in the past that are better than Lindholm.

Why?

You aren't getting Lindholm for his whole career, you get him for one season. If you look at that list posted above there are a ton of players that I would take for 5-10 years over one season of Lindholm and Carlsson this year, or even the Russian, is ranked higher than most players at #3 would in a normal draft year.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Why?

You aren't getting Lindholm for his whole career, you get him for one season. If you look at that list posted above there are a ton of players that I would take for 5-10 years over one season of Lindholm and Carlsson this year, or even the Russian, is ranked higher than most players at #3 would in a normal draft year.

Plus it’s just not the exact #3 itself but everyone that could be available at that spot. For example, at number 3, you had a shot at Tkachuk and even a young Lindholm himself

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Plus it’s just not the exact #3 itself but everyone that could be available at that spot. For example, at number 3, you had a shot at Tkachuk and even a young Lindholm himself

Sure, you have a shot at those players, but there's risk. That's the whole point - some of them turn out, and some don't.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Why?

You aren't getting Lindholm for his whole career, you get him for one season. If you look at that list posted above there are a ton of players that I would take for 5-10 years over one season of Lindholm and Carlsson this year, or even the Russian, is ranked higher than most players at #3 would in a normal draft year.

Your reading comprehension is beyond terrible. I don't know how many times it has to be pointed out to you that is with an extension in place. Yet your argument always comes back to 1 year of Lindholm. So either get with the actual debate here or I am just going to ignore you.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Plus Lindholm is going to be 30 with a long term ~8M contract that the Flames can not afford to sign

Except they totally can. It's called moving other pieces. This is another weak argument people come up with, like if we sign Lindholm that's it, the roster is locked, no other moves can be made.